On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 08:15:06 -0500 Derek Foreman <der...@osg.samsung.com> said:

that's interesting. so perhaps what andy saw was a networking issue
specifically for him or some network path of his he goes through? often enough
people complain of an issue and i can use e.org fine which has baffled me.

> FWIW my monitor logged no downtime during that interval.
> 
> Last outage I logged was Saturday morning (the usual 5:00-5:10AM CST 
> start time)
> 
> my check only grabs https headers from git.enlightnement.org and 
> enlightenment.org - actually testing git is more complicated.  So if 
> there was something specifically wrong with git, I'd miss it.

just a git pull --rebase in a cloned dir would do the job (if it fails to
connect ... problem). :)

> On 2017-07-25 03:49 AM, Andrew Williams wrote:
> > Maybe there is a routing issue in there too then, as I was struggling to
> > get any connection at all for an hour or three?
> > 
> > Andy
> > On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 at 00:47, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 15:25:14 +0000 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me>
> >> said:
> >>
> >>> It seems to be back now without a kick... Is there stuff going on at the
> >>> moment?
> >>
> >> i don't know. when i saw your mail i checked. all was up... i moved on. i
> >> have
> >> disabled the logrotate daily crons in e5v1 and www/git ... because because
> >> the
> >> going down suspiciously coincided with these. i've disabled auditing in
> >> libvirt
> >> too... i just want to get things working and then figure out which level i
> >> pulled did it. maybe one of the levers i pulled di it? e5v1, www, have
> >> been up
> >> over 1 whole day so not one rebooted them. 35 has now been up 2 days (last
> >> time
> >> there was an issue i restarted libvirt and its guests only and things
> >> worked
> >> again).
> >>
> >>> On Mon, 24 Jul 2017 at 15:30 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Today it died between 1 and 2pm UTC...
> >>>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 at 16:26, Carsten Haitzler <ras...@rasterman.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:20:48 +0000 Andrew Williams <
> >> a...@andywilliams.me>
> >>>>> said:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks to whoever kicked the server just now :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> me :)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Are we any closer to what might be triggering this as soon as the
> >>>>> weekend
> >>>>>> starts? ;)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> no. i've experimented with disabling cron.daily things on e5... it
> >> does
> >>>>> seem
> >>>>> that now shutting down vm's and bringing them back up works now kvm
> >> is a
> >>>>> module... ? hmmm.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jul 2017 at 18:47 Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It looks like the new key did work after all - but in the
> >> confiscation
> >>>>>>> about ensuring no proxies were set up I accidentally deleted the
> >> line
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>>> config that sets the username.
> >>>>>>> Either way I can now long in, thanks.
> >>>>>>> Now at least I can kick the server if/when it's not accessible
> >> this
> >>>>>>> weekend.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 17:14 Andrew Williams <
> >> a...@andywilliams.me>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I have upgrade my key to a 4096 and using this new one I can use
> >> git
> >>>>> over
> >>>>>>>> ssh but cannot access e5 through ssh - same as with my old key.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 13:39 Andrew Williams <
> >> a...@andywilliams.me>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's E5 that won't let me in (no proxy of course)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 10:48, Carsten Haitzler <
> >>>>> ras...@rasterman.com>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 08:03:04 +0000 Andrew Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>> a...@andywilliams.me> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> As of Monday morning git was working well again (both https
> >> and
> >>>>>>>>>> git+ssh
> >>>>>>>>>>> working fine).
> >>>>>>>>>>> I still do not have ssh access back - one machine noted the
> >>>>> following:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> >>>>>>>>>>> @    WARNING: REMOTE HOST IDENTIFICATION HAS CHANGED!     @
> >>>>>>>>>>> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
> >>>>>>>>>>> IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If I accept the new identity I get "Permission denied
> >>>>> (publickey)."
> >>>>>>>>>>> Same key as I've been using for a year or 3 (2048 bits)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> mine's 4096 bits... and it works. i believe simotek moved to
> >> 4096
> >>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>>> and then
> >>>>>>>>>> it worked. what machine is that?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 08:30 Carsten Haitzler <
> >>>>> ras...@rasterman.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 07:16:30 +0000 Andrew Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>> a...@andywilliams.me>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> These reports were related to the weekend when access was
> >>>>> very
> >>>>>>>>>> difficult
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> indeed. Whilst I'm thrilled that everything is up now I
> >> don't
> >>>>>>>>>> think that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> should invalidate the fact we had a lot of issues on
> >>>>> Saturday and
> >>>>>>>>>> Sunday.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ssh/git never stopped working for me... so i don't have any
> >>>>> idea
> >>>>>>>>>> why. is it
> >>>>>>>>>>>> working for you now?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jul 2017 at 06:07, Carsten Haitzler <
> >>>>>>>>>> ras...@rasterman.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 12:27:05 +0000 Andrew Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>>>> a...@andywilliams.me>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hmm well the server isn't down... it's up and working,
> >> www
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> working.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ssh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> works for me... i currently don't know why you are
> >> having
> >>>>> ssh
> >>>>>>>>>>>> issues... :/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I have no proxy commands set up. I have no
> >>>>> peculiarity in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> networking.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The physical location and method of connecting were
> >> the
> >>>>> same
> >>>>>>>>>> as I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using for months. The connection was unreliable at
> >> best
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> got
> >>>>>>>>>>>> worse as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Saturday wore on.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some times I could reach the server and connect. Some
> >>>>> times I
> >>>>>>>>>> got
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejected.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other times I got no response.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionally I was not the only one. Those on IRC
> >> were
> >>>>>>>>>> agreeing that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> connection was unreliable at best.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 08:33 Carsten Haitzler <
> >>>>>>>>>> ras...@rasterman.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 23:32:25 +0000 Andrew Williams
> >> <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a...@andywilliams.me>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After an hour of trying to get through to our git
> >>>>> server
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm now
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> giving
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> up
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the night.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I understand that there is an unknown problem
> >> that
> >>>>> needs
> >>>>>>>>>> to be
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the bottom of but I don't understand why those
> >> who
> >>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>> able to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> help
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer have access.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can someone in the know please communicate what
> >> is
> >>>>> going
> >>>>>>>>>> on? I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> know
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are getting our hosting provided kindly for free
> >> but
> >>>>>>>>>> There are so
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hosting solutions for open source projects I
> >> don't
> >>>>> get it
> >>>>>>>>>> - we
> >>>>>>>>>>>> were
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afraid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the stability of "the new sourceforge" but
> >> GitHub,
> >>>>>>>>>> despite
> >>>>>>>>>>>> high
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> criticism for its downtime, has been unavailable
> >> for
> >>>>>>>>>> barely 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>> days
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last 2 years...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do you have a proxy thing for git.e.org in your
> >> ssh
> >>>>>>>>>> config. i can
> >>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> git.e.org no problems. all weekend. i didn't have
> >>>>> issues.
> >>>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>>>> email was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> down
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though (separate issue)...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 22:41, jaquilina <
> >>>>>>>>>> jaquil...@eagleeyet.net
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All I know is that beber adding my ssh key to
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>>> system and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reencrypted
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the credentials store which could be the root
> >>>>> cause of
> >>>>>>>>>> these
> >>>>>>>>>>>> issues
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> git over ssh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Samsung tablet.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------- Original message --------
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Andrew Williams <a...@andywilliams.me>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 15/07/2017 22:59 (GMT+01:00)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Jonathan Aquilina <jaquil...@eagleeyet.net
> >>> ,
> >>>>>>>>>> Enlightenment
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> developer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list <
> >> enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Server down
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correction, for git I'm getting either
> >> connection
> >>>>>>>>>> closed or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> permission
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> denied... every 5th or so connection makes it
> >>>>> through.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 20:46, Andrew Williams <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a...@andywilliams.me>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks to whoever prodded it. Now git and web
> >> are
> >>>>>>>>>> working
> >>>>>>>>>>>> again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I use git+ssh and it is working OK (on and off
> >>>>>>>>>> actually) but I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in through ssh any more. Bu5hm4n and others
> >> have
> >>>>> noted
> >>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> same
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing. Have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permissions on SSH been altered?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 15 Jul 2017 at 15:06 Jonathan
> >> Aquilina <
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jaquil...@eagleeyet.net>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that it might be worth contacting the
> >>>>> hosting
> >>>>>>>>>>>> provider
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as I
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering if they are doing something with
> >> their
> >>>>>>>>>> network
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware or
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something that is causing our server to
> >> really
> >>>>> not be
> >>>>>>>>>> happy.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonathan Aquilina
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2017-07-15 15:59, Derek Foreman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Somewhat related, I've been monitoring the
> >>>>> server with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "smokeping"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few weeks now, and the majority of the
> >> blackouts
> >>>>> start
> >>>>>>>>>>>> between
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5AM
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5:10AM north american central time (10ish
> >> UTC I
> >>>>>>>>>> guess?)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sometimes they clear in under an hour (I
> >> don't
> >>>>> know
> >>>>>>>>>> if this
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> automatic recovery or manual intervention).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> During the blackouts generally the git
> >> server is
> >>>>>>>>>> partially
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> responsive
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the web server is completely borked.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's blackout started between 5:00AM and
> >>>>> 5:10AM
> >>>>>>>>>> CST.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Currently
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> git server is semi responsive and the web
> >> server
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>>> hosed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know if that gives any useful input
> >> into
> >>>>>>>>>> tracking
> >>>>>>>>>>>> down
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> what's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> knocking over the house of cards (or if
> >> knowing
> >>>>> what's
> >>>>>>>>>>>> knocking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even useful), but there ya go. :D
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Derek
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2017-07-15 05:26 AM, Andrew Williams
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the server keeled over again. I would
> >> fix
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>> but today
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rejecting my login.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can someone please help, I was in the middle
> >> of a
> >>>>>>>>>> bunch of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> work
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> docuwiki that I would like to complete?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
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