Hi TS... nice to make your acquaintance....I guess you just don't have the interest, now.... but if you ever do, I suggest that you try some of the "classical" so-called philosophers... instead of taoist shamans or metaphysical quasi-religious sorts , like buddhists or tanscendentalists and such as a way toward understanding things... folks like Plato ( beginning Idealism) or Aristotle (beginning Realism) or Kant (beginning Phenomenology) or W.of Ockham (beginning Nominalism) ... then you can go to the ones (other philosophers) who took the original threads and carried them on in different ways....Anyway, my own very general way of understanding it is that there's a basic division in Reality and a thinking being's understanding of it... a sort of interplay between the thinking brain and the outside world it tries to understand (alog with self- consciously understanding itself, of course)... the difference is basically one between the Idea and the Thing... otherwise put as the Concept and the Reference...Mind and Matter
Idealists think that both the Idea and the Thing are subjective, entirely dependent on what the self-conscious brain ultimately thinks" they (Concept and Reference) are... SUBJECTIVE Realists think that both the Idea and the Thing are objective, entirely dependent on what the Thing forces the self-conscious brain to understand about them (Concept and Reference)... OBJECTIVE Nominalists think that there's a split in the way the self-conscious brain and the outside reality operate....The self -conscious brain operates subjectively as to its own Ideas (or Concept) but the Thing is completely separated or foreign from the self-conscious brain and the Thing (or Reference) is itself objectively controlled by its own ways and means of being and operation... SUBJECTIVE / OBJECTIVE Phenomenologists also think that there's a split in the way the self- conscious brain and the outside reality operate... but Phenomenologists posit that the self-conscious brain operates objectively and that the self conscious brain contains a perfect Idea (or Concept) of what the Template or "Essence" of all outside reality Things should be... the outside reality Things then become mere subjective or imperfect manifestations of those perfect Essences.....OBJECTIVE / SUBJECTIVE Now, my guess is that as a self-described taoist shaman.... you might tend toward the Phenomenological view of ideas and things.... Whereas myself, I am a Nominalist leaning Person when it come to my view of ideas and things... Can You see that you and I would tend to think just the opposite at a very fundamental level? nominal9 On Apr 13, 5:11 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote: > thats way too much reading , and very confusing , im not familiar w/ > proper terms , am i a realist or a dreamer i think was the subject of > the reading , but i only skimmed it so , ? all dreamers see themselves > as realist or the dream would be dead. i am a defeated dreamer , like > the living dead u know ! > > nominal9 wrote: > > Ever Hear of William of Ockham.... Nominalism... more as an "empirical > > way" to think rather that as the opinions that you or anyone should > > hold....? > >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ockham/ > >http://plato.stanford.edu/search/searcher.py?query=Nominalism > >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nominalism-metaphysics/ > >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/realism/ > > > Idealism... Realism.... Phenomenology...Nominalism > > > Anyway... there's a lot of them... after a while... others (and after > > them me too) started to see "patterns" or threads between them and > > thought that most "philosophies" fall under one of the above broad > > headings.... and that they differ > > logically one heading from the nextr.... anyway, I chose > > nominalism.... you may want to consider decidiing or trying to > > understand which one you yourself prefer....I was about your age when > > I tried to make my choice decision judgment.... > > > Mind's Eye.... > > THAR be Censors THAR.... > > Censors Be folks who thinks they knows it All... when they really > > don't know shit... > > It's important to know shit, at least. HAR.... > > > On Mar 30, 6:54 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > how long before all the welth is held by a small group , and what > > > happens to the rest of us ? is there a way to stop the storm on the > > > horizon , or is there no storm at all ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
