reliying on logic can be dangerous , things are unpridictable , to know is delusion , to not know is ignorance
nominal9 wrote: > Hi TS... nice to make your acquaintance....I guess you just don't have > the interest, now.... but if you ever do, I suggest that you try some > of the "classical" so-called philosophers... instead of taoist shamans > or metaphysical quasi-religious sorts , like buddhists or > tanscendentalists and such as a way toward understanding things... > folks like Plato ( beginning Idealism) or Aristotle (beginning > Realism) or Kant (beginning Phenomenology) or W.of Ockham (beginning > Nominalism) ... then you can go to the ones (other philosophers) who > took the original threads and carried them on in different > ways....Anyway, my own very general way of understanding it is that > there's a basic division in Reality and a thinking being's > understanding of it... a sort of interplay between the thinking brain > and the outside world it tries to understand (alog with self- > consciously understanding itself, of course)... the difference is > basically one between the Idea and the Thing... otherwise put as the > Concept and the Reference...Mind and Matter > > Idealists think that both the Idea and the Thing are subjective, > entirely dependent on what the self-conscious brain ultimately thinks" > they (Concept and Reference) are... SUBJECTIVE > > Realists think that both the Idea and the Thing are objective, > entirely dependent on what the Thing forces the self-conscious brain > to understand about them (Concept and Reference)... OBJECTIVE > > Nominalists think that there's a split in the way the self-conscious > brain and the outside reality operate....The self -conscious brain > operates subjectively as to its own Ideas (or Concept) but the Thing > is completely separated or foreign from the self-conscious brain and > the Thing (or Reference) is itself objectively controlled by its own > ways and means of being and operation... SUBJECTIVE / OBJECTIVE > > Phenomenologists also think that there's a split in the way the self- > conscious brain and the outside reality operate... but > Phenomenologists posit that the self-conscious brain operates > objectively and that the self conscious brain contains a perfect Idea > (or Concept) of what the Template or "Essence" of all outside reality > Things should be... the outside reality Things then become mere > subjective or imperfect manifestations of those perfect > Essences.....OBJECTIVE / SUBJECTIVE > > Now, my guess is that as a self-described taoist shaman.... you might > tend toward the Phenomenological view of ideas and things.... > > Whereas myself, I am a Nominalist leaning Person when it come to my > view of ideas and things... > > Can You see that you and I would tend to think just the opposite at a > very fundamental level? > > nominal9 > > > > > On Apr 13, 5:11 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > thats way too much reading , and very confusing , im not familiar w/ > > proper terms , am i a realist or a dreamer i think was the subject of > > the reading , but i only skimmed it so , ? all dreamers see themselves > > as realist or the dream would be dead. i am a defeated dreamer , like > > the living dead u know ! > > > > nominal9 wrote: > > > Ever Hear of William of Ockham.... Nominalism... more as an "empirical > > > way" to think rather that as the opinions that you or anyone should > > > hold....? > > >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ockham/ > > >http://plato.stanford.edu/search/searcher.py?query=Nominalism > > >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nominalism-metaphysics/ > > >http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/realism/ > > > > > Idealism... Realism.... Phenomenology...Nominalism > > > > > Anyway... there's a lot of them... after a while... others (and after > > > them me too) started to see "patterns" or threads between them and > > > thought that most "philosophies" fall under one of the above broad > > > headings.... and that they differ > > > logically one heading from the nextr.... anyway, I chose > > > nominalism.... you may want to consider decidiing or trying to > > > understand which one you yourself prefer....I was about your age when > > > I tried to make my choice decision judgment.... > > > > > Mind's Eye.... > > > THAR be Censors THAR.... > > > Censors Be folks who thinks they knows it All... when they really > > > don't know shit... > > > It's important to know shit, at least. HAR.... > > > > > On Mar 30, 6:54 pm, the taoist shaman <bryan...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > how long before all the welth is held by a small group , and what > > > > happens to the rest of us ? is there a way to stop the storm on the > > > > horizon , or is there no storm at all ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Epistemology" group. To post to this group, send email to epistemology@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to epistemology+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/epistemology?hl=en.
