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I almost hesitate to jump into this one, but, IMHO, Hartmut is right on. I have 30+ years in HW/SW/Telecom and the bottom line is that computer professionals are not (really) masochists. If the Apple/MAC was better than the PC then the PC would not have 94+ percent of the market. Roy ________________________________ From: Hartmut Beil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:20 PM To: FLYIN Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] WINDOWS VISTA - caution ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- Gang. When I read this: "But he reports freezes and hangups just like every other OS Microsoft ever produced", I wonder what the people are doing with their computers? I had the joy to evaluate the computer situation last summer because my wife was due for an upgrade and I needed a new workhorse. I used to be a Mac guy in the nineties, but learned to see the advantages of the windows machines. They were cheaper, more compatible and compared to Macs much more reliable. With the move of Macintosh inc. to base their computers on a Unix variant, they created a stable system finally, but many good things from the old world did not make it over to the new Mac. However many of my friends are sold on the Macintosh Emporium and every time I am getting an E-mail from them with an attachment, I have problems opening it. To be compatible with the rest of the world, you need to buy a higher priced, less featured version of Office for the Mac. I realized, if I follow that road, I am paying twice for a less usable system. My friends are telling me that the new Macs also run Windows natively, thanks to the Intel chip found in the newer Macs. Now I figured, if I really want to run Windows in the first place, why bother spending twice for a machine to run that on? So I bought a Mini-PC for my wife and put windows server 2003 on it. Turned on the machine, installed all the programs my wife needed, and gave it to her. She leaves the machine running since the mini-PC makes no noise at all. The machine runs since last summer ! It is in daily use. My wife does E-mail, word processing with it and edits her music that she burns on CDs. Many CDs. She could have done the same with a Mac twice that expensive, but I would have to buy extra software to avoid her getting stuck with the very basic applications the Mac comes with. And this is actually the main feature that let's me stick with windows. There are way more applications written for windows. And most applications for aviation too. I have nothing against other systems, I have two Linux systems running at home too, and two older Macs, but I am doing the most with my Windows system. I got me a AmiloPro Fujitsu Siemens <http://www.mks-shop.com/estore/db/70000/noteboock_fs_amiloprov3205_.jpg> that beats any Mac Laptop in features and costs only half that much. And since the hardware that PC is using, is almost the same as the MacBooks, I am able to run OSX on it too, just for the fun of it. And yes I ordered Vista also. What I am trying to say is that every system has its user base. It depends on what you would like to do with your computer. And before you buy a Mac or plan to install Unix, make sure hat your beloved apps are also running on that. Macs look good and are good for your ego. Agreed. Hartmut ----- Original Message ----- From: Ralph Finch <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: 'FLYIN' <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:01 PM Subject: RE: [COUPERS-FLYIN] WINDOWS VISTA - caution ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- ?My next PC will be a Mac. Dan? So will mine. I?m in the market for a laptop and it will not be a PC. I?m just waiting for Apple?s latest OS to come out and see what they do with their laptops?they?re due for some changes. The original email about Vista is full of bogosity, but the reality may be worse. A friend bought a new PC with Vista already loaded, took about ½ hour to plug everything in and get running. But he reports freezes and hangups just like every other OS Microsoft ever produced. Also the constant nagging and confirming of almost anything you do is crazy. We used Sun Solaris, a Unix variant, for years at work. Extremely stable and a pleasure to use, but ?reality? interfered and over time we switched to Windows. Our production declined and has never been the same. Some say that MS has to run on flakey hardware which Apple doesn?t have to deal with (because Apple controls the hw also). What about Linux? It runs on the same flakey hw and I don?t hear stories about Blue Screens, freezes, weird behavior after a few days of running. Vista may be the last straw for a lot of people. The Mac ads on TV are hilarious and convey a lot of truth. Ralph Davis, California My next PC will be a Mac. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Syd Cohen <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: FLYIN <mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [COUPERS-FLYIN] WINDOWS VISTA - caution ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- I sure like my Mac. Syd DONALD BOWEN wrote: ----[Please read http://ercoupers.com/disclaimer.htm before following any advice in this forum.]---- The following is from a computer-literate friend. I cannot vouch for it's accuracy, but it appears correct to me. Don Hi everyone Ok, here is the vista update as many of you are writing to me with suggestions... 1) as of January 30th all computers with XP were ordered back to manfg to get Vista on them 2) I took my vista computer back to Walmart as did many other customers, we were told that Since the machine was basically working they would not take them back and they had no More computers with XP on them 3) called emachine and they are not allowed to sell or put XP on anymore machines after Jan 30th 4) even though Microsoft says a minimum of 1GB RAM, eMachine (Gateway) can sell the computer With 512MB because the vista version on the computer is an abbrviated version called BASIC and I would have To pay $239.00 more for the PREMIUM VERSION or $399.00 more for the ULTIMATE VERSION. 5) print drivers will only be upgrade by each printer mfg going back 18 months so if your printer is Older than that, you will have to purchase a new printer to work on Vista. 6) digital camera users will have to go thru the same thing waiting for new drivers to become available From your camera mfg.. And depending on the camera, mine is two years old and will not get new Drivers so I will have to replace my camera 7) getting thru to any of the tech supports for any computer related product is almost impossible I am So frustrated about holding two and 1/2 hours only to get hung up on.... And lastly, if your new computer comes with vista you cannot format it and use a copy of XP Because all the chips and video cards, sound cards etc will only work with Vista installed so that Is definetly not an option... So I guess we all have to dig deep in our pockets this next year to Upgrade everything we own to Vistas specifications... Thankyou very much bill gates, your jerk PLEASE EMAIL THIS TO ANYONE YOU KNOW WHO IS EVEN THINKING ABOUT BUYING A NEW COMPUTER... THE PUBLIC SHOULD KNOW THIS INFO BEFORE PURCHASING PRODUCTS THAT WILL CONTROL THEM AS VISTA IS DOING... 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