As far as I can see it, there are a couple of non-technical issues here that have to be resolved, but they all boil down to who is willing to implement what. Is there truly no way to compromise?
MS says that they think ES4 deserves to a be a new language. Suppose that is true and ES4 is renamed, say ES++. Then would MS be willing to implementing ES++ in their new browser? Or is the name truly a scapegoat to blame their misgivings of ES4 the language itself? Or if you consider the feature set of ES4 to be too bloated, that ES4 is trying to tackle problems it was never meant to handle, what exactly do you dislike about ES4? What features would do you want to cut out of the language? What features would the pro-ES4 people be willing to cut out? I know this will be hard, but let's ignore feature dependencies for the moment. Say, for example, that you dislike the class system but are fine with the type system (as nonsensical as that sounds). Perhaps you're fine with grafting a type system on top of the prototype system without classes. Or if you also dislike the type system, what do you propose instead? For encapsulation, you might propose sticking with closures. Now, how are you going to address the pitfalls of closures, namely memory usage and inefficiency? ES4 advocates may also be concerned that encapsulation via closures is plain ugly, while ES4 critics say that classes make the language inelegant. Perhaps there is another solution? Anyway, do you see where I'm getting with this? There should be some room for compromise. I'd like to see some active discussion concerning these feature disagreements. Lastly, all this accusations concerning intentions need to stop. Mozilla, this concerns you too - I find that saying you won't let big bully MS block ES4 is somewhat hypocritical, considering that the SVG 1.2 committee did something similar to you guys (make no mistake, I'm not accusing anyone and I hope this is the last time SVG is mentioned on this mailing list). In any case, hypocritical or not, all these accusations are not constructive at all. Responding to accusations with more accusations is plain sophomoric in my book. Please, I have enough of my political bullshit from the news - I don't expect that here. Thanks, Yuh-Ruey Chen _______________________________________________ Es4-discuss mailing list Es4-discuss@mozilla.org https://mail.mozilla.org/listinfo/es4-discuss
