On 3/4/06, Damien Pollet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 3/4/06, Nicolas Roard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes, I think I agree. While I was curious about the introduction of
> > vertical separators, I think they indeed make the menu look busier.
>
> To make a parallel with typography, that's kind like tables... many
> people (maybe due to some office application with stupid defaults...)
> tend to frame their tables and put lines to separate each column, each
> line, etc... Often I only put one line below the column headers, and
> use spacing (\quad in LaTeX) to separate columns. White space
> separates better and doesn't bring noise (try applying a 10 pixel blur
> to the screenshots).

depends on the table, sometimes it's much better to put lines ;-)

> For the detachable menus, I don't like that the menu title is
> repeated, and takes the place of the 1st item.

yes, me neither.

> What about adding a "grab bar" at the bottom of the menu instead
> (could look like the resize bar of windows) ? The menu would act like
> on Mac (no title on submenus, only the added grab bar), but if you
> click in or select the grab bar, the menu detaches. Detached menus
> display their title at the top, with an appearance similar to the
> horizontal menu bar. The grab bar can disappear, or better, stay here
> and act as an additional handle to move the menu.

Don't know.. why not after all. It's all a problem of "what's the less
bad solution" in fact ;-)
So yes, perhaps a bottom grab bar is better.

I had another idea too, but which is perhaps more a matter for Azalea
-- in the case of tear-off menu, I wouldn't mind having the menus
"stick" together. Eg, you could stick a menu to another vertically, in
order to form a kind of "menu dock". Similar to Photoshop palettes or
Omnigraffle palettes.

> Just writing this I got another idea... what if the mouse had a
> physical button reserved for a "grab" action, rather than click =
> select, double-click = activate, and so on... ?

Not everyone has a multi-button mouse :D
Seriously, we should work _well_ with one-button mouse, but obviously
we must support properly more than one button. In this case, why not
having some specific action that you could trigger directly via a
mouse button.

--
Nicolas Roard
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic."
  -Arthur C. Clarke

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