Quoting Damien Pollet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On 3/4/06, Sašo Kiselkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > What about adding a "grab bar" at the bottom of the menu instead > > No way. Sorry guys, as far the menu item separators are concerned, I agree > (...) > > I think you'd all need to read the following over and over again: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle > > Hmm, you're probably right... still, that duplicated title bothers me :/ > > If the menus work using clicks only, then a drag of the menu title (in > the menubar) could tear it. The menu title becomes the teared menu's > titlebar... that's Nicolas's "menu dock" idea. > > But IMHO menus should also work by heldclick-choose-release, and we > don't want that to be interpreted as an attempt to tear the menu off. > In GNUstep, to tear off a menu you have to click once to make it > appear, then drag it away from its parent. This could work with > horizontal menus too, except the user won't have to move the mouse > between the click to show and the drag to tear. So when you click on a > menu item, the menu always appears in a tearable mode, but in the case > of top-level menus it appears right under your mouse.
Interresting, but how many people will get it? Also, personally, I'd hate this feature from the bottom of my heart, if some desktop were to include it, because I like to drag with my mouse - it feels sort of like browsing the menu to me. Sometimes I click a menu item, then start dragging to browse to a different item, the click around again - it's messy behavior, but I'm just human, as are "most" Etoile users, I think :-) > > Clarity, clarity, clarity. Do you see 'Grab' written on any of your mouse' > > buttons? No = people won't get it, unless you tell them. However, I'm not > > I know it's not really realistic. My point is that we could try to > change the way we currently use mice : > - LMB = select/activate/move/open (with drags and multi-clicks) > - MMB = I don't know... > - RMB = contextual menu > > First of all, yes, these actions should be written on the mouse ;) > Then, they should be redistributed in a way that maximizes > orthogonality... my idea: > - designate button (probably under the index finger) > - activate button (middle finger) > - grab (thumb) > > The designate button would only select/unselect things (no > double-click semantics) ; the activate button would open files, or > display a contextual menu (you "activate" the desktop, to act on the > selection) ; the grab button is used to "keep things in your hand and > still use the other fingers". For instance, to move files, you'd > designate them, grab, and still be able to navigate folders while > holding them. Or you could grab a tool from a palette to use it > several times in a row without returning to the default tool... > > > Not everyone has a multi-button mouse :D > > Hell, even Apple has, now :-P Hmm, this seems like an interresting approach, but I think this should be subject to more extensive and long term research. It certainly is something we'd have to get users used to. > -- > Damien > type less, do more > _______________________________________________ Etoile-dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.gna.org/listinfo/etoile-dev
