Can you tell us how the survey was worded? The one resulting in a desire for renewable fuels?
On June 26, 2014 11:25:14 AM CST, Mark Abramowitz via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: >On Jun 26, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> >wrote: > >>> Are you saying that the main problem with battery electrics >>> is also that most of the power it uses is not renewable? >> >> Careful: Studies have shown that about HALF of EV buyers also have >SOLAR >> or sign up for 100% solar/wind from their utilities. It is -not- a >> coincidence that those who want to be part of the future of clean >energy >> do both. SO -never- use the published "utility mix" to derive >carbon >> impact of EV's without dividing it at least in HALF even today to >account >> for the demographics of EV buyers 50% of which use 100% emissions >free >> energy. > >Very interesting and promising statistic. > >Do you have a cite? > >This is the low-hanging fruit. Great to see what people will do given a >choice. > >Good sign for future of renewables. > >As an aside, an OEM rep told me point blank "our customers want >renewable fuels." > > >> >>> What % of electricity comes from solar right now? >> >> Though the grid maybe 40% coal in some places, you must apply these >> corrections for EV electricity: >> >> 1) 50% of EV buyers use only 100% renewable energy for charging >> 2) The EV is about 3 times more efficient in total energy per mile >than >> gasoline >> >> As a result 40% times 50% times 33% gives only about 7% of EV energy >comes >> from coal (and it only gets better every day). Not the 100% stack >> emissions that the climate change deniers want you to believe. >> > >I don't think that's right either. Too simplistic. GREET model data is >better. > > >>> Right now, there is NO silver bullet. >> >> YES there is! and it is EV's and solar/wind. When you say "right >now" you >> are pessimistically using today's pitiful 2% contribution of solar on >the >> grid, but that includes 98% of decades old LEGACY systems. > >No, I'm not using that assumption. I am talking about vehicles, not the >source of the energy. I am assuming that one size does not fit all. If >you don't provide a ZEV that works for them, they will use an ICE. > >Even for existing ZEV users. > >A recent post had a died-in-the-wool BEV user talking about how they >reluctantly had to use their ICE to take someone to the airport. > >Point is, you need every emission reduction you can get, and every >possible way to change out the fleet to ZEV. BEVs are just one part of >a mix that will change over time. FCEVs are an important part, too, and >in fact expected to exceed BEVs in the mix. The market and advances in >technology will determine how that eventually looks. > > >> >> When I see "right now" I don't see the 2%, I see the 400% annual >growth >> *rate* of renewables and EV's and the 20% decline of coal, and >gasoline >> imports! >> >> I see the 93% instant *average* reduction in carbon emissions for >each new >> EV on the road. Or, for half of us that subscribe to 100% renewable >> energy, a 100% reduction. >> >> Bob, WB4aPR >> _______________________________________________ >> UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >> http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >> For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) >> >> >_______________________________________________ >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org >For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20140627/845e2a8f/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
