You EV experimenters must have some facts here... Is it illegal to purchase, own or operate a non UL approved appliance? (Which?) (How do I prove it is OK)...
We are trying to support a grass-roots solar panel idea for people in our church who don't have good sunny roofs or who don't have the money for a whole-house solar to at least buyin to solar in the form of a single panel and 250W inverter (ebay) that they can place in their front yard to show support for addressing climate change. We call it "SunFlowers"... See http://aprs.org/sunflowers.html But we cannot move on this until we resolve the legal issues. Since we are not "selling anything" but simply group-purchasing the solar panels and letting the individuals connect (and/or buy their own inverter) the two wires and plug it in, then who will prevent us (or sue us) for doing this? I am certain the utility will say it violates their terms of service., even though we will test each house and ASSURE that there is no backfeed and the house does present at least the minimum 250W load to assure there is no backfeed... But no utility would probably officially accept our testing... What if it was a licensed Electrician? Probably he would never approve a non UL appliance either... SO lets keep it at the UL appliance level. Is it ok to plug in a non UL approved appliance? And where does it say that? Bob, WB4aPR > Sent from my awesome Samsung Galaxy Note 3 droid thing of doom! > On Sep 30, 2014 10:54 AM, "Robert Bruninga bruni...@usna.edu [SolarDIY]" < > solar...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > >> >> >> OK, so what is the legal situation if one uses a single solar panel >> connected to a single 250W (non-UL approved) grid-tie inverter. AND your >> minimum house load NEVER drops below 250W? >> >> In that case you are never "backfeeding" the grid, but are consuming 100% >> of the energy produced on your own premises. Given that these inverters >> *do* meet the non-islanding requirement that they cannot produce any AC >> power without a 60 Hz grid attached, they do meet the safety requirements. >> >> So, what is the requirements for any black box we plug into an outlet? >> If I find a home-made lamp at a flea market, it is not UL approved... am I >> doing something illegal if I plug it in ? >> >> What does UL approved mean? Sure it means something meets all the safety >> standards, but does the converse apply, that one is illegal if they use a >> non UL approved device? >> >> Bob >> >> __._,_.___ >> ------------------------------ >> Posted by: Robert Bruninga <bruni...@usna.edu> >> ------------------------------ >> Reply via web post >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SolarDIY/conversations/messages/1382;_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2djZWNjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczODk0MjUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRtc2dJZAMxMzgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTQxMjA5NjA1OQ--?act=reply&messageNum=1382> >> • Reply to sender >> <bruni...@usna.edu?subject=Re%3A%20Chinese%20inverters%20legality%3F> • >> Reply to group >> <solar...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Chinese%20inverters%20legality%3F> >> • Start a New Topic >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SolarDIY/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmcmRpM3F1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczODk0MjUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MTIwOTYwNTk-> >> • Messages in this topic >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SolarDIY/conversations/topics/1382;_ylc=X3oDMTM1am5tNTk3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczODk0MjUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRtc2dJZAMxMzgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQxMjA5NjA1OQR0cGNJZAMxMzgy> >> (1) >> Visit Your Group >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/SolarDIY/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmczFnMW9vBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzczODk0MjUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0MTIwOTYwNTk-> >> >> >> [image: Yahoo! Groups] >> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylc=X3oDMTJlOGNucGJpBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzczODk0MjUyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA4MzI2OQRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTQxMjA5NjA1OQ--> >> • Privacy <https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html> >> • Unsubscribe <solardiy-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe> >> • Terms of Use <https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/> >> >> . >> >> __,_._,___ >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141001/da8a26a0/attachment.htm> _______________________________________________ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
