Sounds like LTO cell to me. Not standard LMP or LCO. Maybe some LiFePO4
variant. That spec tells it cycles well which is nice for such use. EV is
not one of those applications. Nothing new under the sun I'd say. -Jukka

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2015-05-12 5:56 GMT+03:00 Bill Dube via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>:

> Dial it back just a bit. No need to be abusive.
>
> On 5/11/2015 7:59 PM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:
>
>> You provided nothing that would help us answer your question.  Not even
>> the
>> name of the reseller or manufacturer. What kind of inquiry is that?  If
>> you
>> won't tell us, or show us, then there can be no real answer.
>>
>> "4000 cycles at %90 dod"
>>
>> This is a mostly meaningless specification. Taking lithium cells to 90%
>> DOD
>> does absolutely nothing bad to them.  What might mess them up regarding
>> DOD
>> is if they were not consistent in their capacity and construction - so
>> that
>> they would not age well together for the life of the pack.
>>
>> What you want to know with certainty, is the voltage at 100% SOC (or
>> somewhat lower for a factor of safety).  And then the temperature beyond
>> which the cells should not go when at a high SOC.
>>
>> You need to know the recommended high cutoff voltage that is sufficient to
>> protect the cells regardless of temperature.
>>
>> You need to be sure your charger never pushes the cells beyond the max
>> SOC%.  If you do push voltage and SOC% higher you need to know the
>> activation temperature of the system (positive electrode
>> and electrolyte composition) and never let the pack exceed that
>> temperature
>> when the cells at at a high SOC%.
>>
>> What will the life of the cells be?  Unless a thorough study using high
>> precision coulometry has been performed, then you will mostly have no idea
>> the expected life of the cells.  Traditional testing tells you nothing
>> much
>> about the expected life.  The old methods take far too long to give
>> results
>> and no one ever runs them long enough to get an estimate that is very
>> certain.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 9:00 PM, ken via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>>
>>    I saw some pouch cells that claim 4000 cycles at %90 dod.
>>>
>>> any one tested theses.
>>>
>>> How are they for $ vs. power density.
>>>
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