We are so far away from this ever really being an issue, and the chance that it ever will be still seems quite remote. Even with the latest batch of OEM EV's there is no guarantee that EV's are going to stick. There is still very little demand for them, and no apparent groundswell building... damon
> Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:44:14 -0400 > To: pe...@kotatko.com; ev@lists.evdl.org > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC > Quick-Charging Matter > From: ev@lists.evdl.org > > It is unsustainable to expect that people without EV charging at home or > at work (both can be 115 volt) will be happy to leave their cars for hours > every day somewhewre else every single day. Or that there will ever be > enough such public chargers. > > No, the only practical answer remains (for the dail commuter), to provide > provisions for people to plug in while parked at home. Even if this means > on-street parking having outlets. > > Sure, public charging will always be needed, but I cannot image anyone > buying an EV with the idea of going somewhere else every single day to > charge and waiting till complete... > > bob > > -----Original Message----- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via > EV > Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:58 PM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC > Quick-Charging Matter > > Don't forget that there is a huge percentage, 30% to 50% depending on how > you measure, who don't have consistent access to dedicated off > street charging. During the early adopter stage, this doesn't matter. > For the next wave of EV owners it will. People who can't charge at home > will need to either charge at a destination - work, shopping - or while > they wait at some sort of refuling station. Charge time will matter - a > lot. > > Peri > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Robert Bruninga via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Ben Goren" <b...@trumpetpower.com>; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" > <ev@lists.evdl.org>; "brucedp5" <bruce...@operamail.com> > Sent: 19-Oct-15 9:43:53 AM > Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC > Quick-Charging Matter > > >What they actually don't understand is that EV's are refuled while > >parked and not-in-use in the ultimate of convenience. > > > >Whereas they are so used to gas cars that must be refuled somewhere > >else, while they ARE-USING the car. A big inconvenience. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via > >EV > >Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 12:40 PM > >To: brucedp5; Electric Vehicle Discussion List > >Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Buying An Electric Car: Why Charging Rate, DC > >Quick-Charging Matter > > > >On Oct 19, 2015, at 3:24 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > > > >> In broad strokes, if you're confident that you can charge your car > >> at home every night--or at work every day--then recharge rate may > >> not be quite so important. > > > >They're handwaving away the most important point. > > > >People new to EVs are paranoid about the time it takes to recharge. > >People > >who've lived with an EV for a few weeks wonder what all the fuss is > >about. > >My parents went through this...Dad did a lot of searching for a cheap > >220 > >charger for their new-to-them Leaf. Now, while they wouldn't turn one > >down if you offered them one for free, they have no interest in > >spending money on one. > > > >I think a lot of people unfamiliar with EVs get hung up on the time to > >charge the battery from empty, when the important metric is the time to > >charge the battery after a day's typical usage. > > > >If you figure 3 miles per kWh for a typical EV, you'll recharge at > >about > >10 MPH from a standard 110 circuit. Doesn't sound like much...but > >that's > >80 miles after 8 hours, and most of us are either asleep that long or, > >at least, spend that much time asleep plus showering and eating and the > >like. > >In practice, most people would have no trouble plugging in for 10 or 12 > >hours a day at home, giving 100 - 120 miles. > > > >And, save for road trips, how many people even put 80 miles on the road > >in a given day? And on the rare days when that happens...how often does > >it happen day after day? > > > >Let's say you've got a 200-mile range EV, as is promised for the next > >generation of cars. Start the day with a full charge. Drive 100 miles > >that single day and end the day with 100 miles. Plug in only for 8 > >hours, start the next day with "only" 180 miles. You could keep that > >pattern up for over a week before you'd start to have legitimate reason > >for range anxiety. Give the car a couple days of 12-hour charges on > >your > >(presumed) > >weekend when you're only putting a few dozen miles per day on the car, > >and you're all caught back up again. And I think it's safe to suggest > >that what I just described is a rather extreme situation, even in > >America. > >Not > >unheard of, but very unusual. > > > >Fast charging is nice to have, sure. But it becomes _less_ important > >with bigger batteries, not more -- and we're emphatically headed to > >bigger batteries. But the only time you actually _need_ fast charging > >-- assuming overnight access to a 110 outlet is as ubiquitous as it > >typically is -- is for road trips or other scenarios where you're > >spending almost as much time in the car as you do in bed. And most > >people are renting cars for road trips these days anyway.... > > > >Cheers, > > > >b& > >_______________________________________________ > >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag > >racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > >_______________________________________________ > >UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > >http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > >Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag > >racing at NEDRA > >(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ Please discuss EV drag > racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > _______________________________________________ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Read EVAngel's EV News at http://evdl.org/evln/ > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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