I have a Bolt EUV and like it. I was somewhat disappointed to see that they're discontinuing the entire Bolt line at the end of this year. However, I wouldn't count GM out just yet. They're transitioning to their Ultium platform instead of continuing to build old-tech Bolts. I like my Bolt but it is stuck in the old automaker mindset of "we shipped it, we wash our hands of it." The battery tech is several years old and they refuse to offer any updates to the firmware or display system. I firmly believe it would have been in their power to do so but they were still acting like a traditional car company. Supposedly the new Ultium platform is supposed to support OTA updates which may help. Also, a big sticking point on the Bolt is the 55kw fast charge rate. I just did a trip of over 1300 miles in my Bolt and fast charged probably around 9 times. It works fine and the speed isn't so irritating but tech has moved on to 150kw or faster rates. Their new cars are supposed to be able to do this. So, while I'm a bit sad that the Bolt is going away, I'm happy that they're replacing it with cars that have the features I really wanted to see
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:43 AM Steves via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > I was also a bit perplexed and disappointed about the Bolt news. We own > one and really like it. I read they will retool that plant to make SUVs or > pickups as I recall. Along with Ford they seem to be killing the sedan. We > just traded our Volt in and that model was axed last year. I really liked > that car. > > The reason they gave for killing the bolt is the batteries are older > chemistry and for some reason they can’t seem to figure out how to update > that. Sounds tenuous to me. I imagine the real reason is profit margins. > It’s so much easier to sell big cars with naturally high margins than > figure out how to make smaller cars efficiently. > > I also do not like the personality of Musk, but I do admire the trajectory > of Tesla. I guess need to separate the two entities in my mind. It may be > the only way forward for EVs or even the sedan. > > > -Steve > > > On Apr 30, 2023, at 11:13 PM, Tom Hudson via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > wrote: > > > > We started our EV journey with our Solectria Force in 1997, and after > retiring our Force after 21 (!) years (due to rust; all the EV components > work like new and are in storage) we drive a Tesla Model 3. After all those > years of driving one of the few EVs in the state of Wisconsin, it's kind of > surreal to be driving through our little city of 11,000 and seeing multiple > Model Ys (and Model 3s) driving around or parked in driveways. Seeing the > recent sales numbers on Model Ys, it does look like Musk's prediction will > be spot-on. It's just awesome to see EVs becoming mainstream. > > > > Our Saturday morning ritual here is to watch the Electrek podcast on > YouTube while having breakfast. This week they mentioned that GM is killing > the Bolt, which is their most popular EV. We paused the video and talked a > bit about how GM totally screwed the pooch when they killed the EV-1 (which > we rented and drove in California back in 1999 or so) -- they could > absolutely have OWNED the EV market if they had kept going. Now an upstart > like Tesla is wiping up the floor with them because they didn't have any > foresight or a vision of a future beyond ICE. And Toyota has been fighting > the inevitable future, trying to kill EV incentives. And Ford is making an > attempt to move forward, but getting NEGATIVE 40 percent margins on their > EVs. All the big auto industry players should have seen the writing on the > wall, but kept their blinders on and now they're scrambling to catch up -- > they never set up the kind of vertical integration Tesla has, nor did they > make any deals for raw battery materials. And one reason Tesla is kicking > ass with never-before-seen auto industry margins on the Model Y is their > relentless, continuous manufacturing improvements like the single front and > rear castings. > > > > The legacy ICE manufacturers are true dinosaurs and will be a textbook > example of how companies with no vision will be extinct. As for GM, makers > of the abomination of the Hummer EV, who in the name of crushing the CARB > mandates snatched all the EV-1s from the owners who were begging to be able > to keep them, and crushed them, I say "good riddance". I'm no big Elon Musk > fan, but it's just a dream to see that the Model Y is on its way to being > the most popular car of any kind in the world. > > > > -Tom > > > >> On 4/22/2023 1:33 PM, paul dove via EV wrote: > >> Elon Musk May Have Been Right, His Tesla Model Y Guess Could Come True > >> > >> Tesla CEO Elon Musk often gets to prove to people that he was right all > along, and another such opportunity may come soon enough. > >> > >> Tesla CEO Elon Musk said some time ago that the Model Y would outsell > all of Tesla's other cars, and by a wide margin. This came as a surprise > since it's much more expensive than the popular Model 3. The CEO went on to > predict that the Model Y would eventually become the best-selling car in > the world. Many people thought he was crazy, but there's a much better > chance of it actually happening than you might think. > >> > >> When the Tesla Model Y first debuted, it was a bit of a disappointment > to many people. The entire unveiling ceremony revolved around the history > of Tesla, and the electric crossover was barely present. When it was > finally shown, it wasn't shown in great detail, and there was no look at > the third row. All you could really tell was that it wasn't much more than > an inflated Model 3. > >> > >> That said, the Model Y has been selling exceedingly well across the > globe. In fact, it already made some top sales lists in 2022, and Tesla's > sales stand to be much stronger in 2023. While many people love to pick on > Elon Musk for his wild ideas and terrible timelines, he often proves them > wrong. Sure, there are some promises Musk has made that have come true very > late or still not come to fruition, but many of his dreams people doubted > years ago are already a reality. > >> > >> If all continues to move forward as it has thus far this year, Musk > could have another "I told you so" moment. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> According to Electrek, Musk said in 2016 that the Model Y would create > demand for 500,000 to 1,000,000 units per year and eventually become the > world's best-selling passenger car of any kind. Keep in mind, it didn't > even come to market until 2020. In 2022, Tesla noted that the Model Y would > soon keep pace with the top-selling Toyota Corolla, which sees some ~1.2 > million units sold per year. > >> > >> Tesla could inform us during its upcoming earnings meeting that the > Model Y is already on track to become the best-selling car in the world as > early as this year. It topped all rivals in China, the world's biggest > automotive market, for Q1 2023. Meanwhile, in the world's second-largest > car market, the US, early data points to the Model Y being the best-selling > passenger car for the quarter. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The Model Y is also breaking sales records in many European markets, > and Tesla has ramped up its production at Giga Berlin to 5,000 copies per > week. Tesla is also ramping up production at Giga Texas while constantly > making tweaks and upgrades in Fremont and Shanghai. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Tesla aims to produce some 1.8 million EVs globally in 2023, though > Musk has said the company could possibly achieve 2 million. If everything > falls into place as planned, the Model Y has a very good chance of being > the best-selling car in the world. > >> > >> What do you think? Leave us your words of wisdom in the comment section > below. > >> > >> > >> On Saturday, April 22, 2023, 4:56 AM, EV List Lackey via EV < > ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > >> > >> Chinese EV dominance hastens end of petrol engine era > >> > >> Issued on: 22/04/2023 - 09:14 > >> > >> > https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230422-chinese-ev-dominance-hastens- > >> end-of-petrol-engine-era > >> > >> or https://v.gd/YYqNoM > >> > >> "This year's Shanghai Auto Show signalled the end of the petrol engine > era > >> in China, as domestic electric vehicle brands drive change across the > sector > >> and leave foreign companies in the dust, analysts and industry insiders > >> said. > >> > >> "Government support for EVs and growing interest from a vast consumer > base > >> has assured Chinese companies' dominance of their home market, the > world's > >> largest -- and they are now beginning to set their sights overseas. > >> > >> *** > >> > >> "According to the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers, > electric > >> vehicles made up a quarter of car sales in the country in 2022, a > year-on- > >> year increase of 94 percent. > >> > >> *** > >> > >> "China has dedicated huge resources to the industry. > >> > >> "They skipped developing petrol engines because they can't compete with > the > >> rest of the world," said Richards. "So they thought: '(With EVs) we > can get > >> a head start in front of everyone else'." > >> > >> *** > >> > >> "The supporting infrastructure was built too -- the government says > there > >> are now more than 5.8 million charging piles in China. Guangdong > province > >> alone has around three times as many public chargers as the whole of the > >> United States, according to Bloomberg data. > >> > >> *** > >> > >> Some are smashing the cash barrier that put EVs beyond the means of the > >> average consumer. In Shanghai, China's Geely exhibited its boxy Panda > Mini - > >> - including a bright yellow one with the phrase "what the duck" > emblazoned > >> on its side. The cheaper versions cost around $5,800. > >> > >> "In the future, homegrown technology could drive prices down even > further. > >> Battery giant CATL has developed a cell that uses sodium instead of > lithium > >> ions, the former both more abundant and cheaper than the latter. Just > >> before the show opened CATL announced those batteries would be > incorporated > >> into domestic brand Chery's cars. > >> > >> *** > >> > >> "And Chinese EV companies have already begun to make inroads abroad. > The > >> biggest of them, BYD, set up shop in Norway then expanded onwards, and > >> others are following." > >> > >> > https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20230422-chinese-ev-dominance-hastens- > >> end-of-petrol-engine-era > >> > >> or https://v.gd/YYqNoM > >> > >> David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey > >> > >> To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my > >> offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt > >> > >> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = > >> > >> On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament], > >> "Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, > >> will the right answers come out?" 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