Hey Peri, That is kinda what I have been kicking around lately. I have one of my Dad's final projects, a Geo Metro 72 volt commuter. My plan is to swap out the lead acid batteries with a lithium pack, adding the best. Should make a cute run around car! -Tom True
On Sun, Apr 28, 2024, 7:02 AM Peri Hartman via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote: > Actually, let me throw this idea around, and feel free to shoot holes in > it. Can one still do a relatively cheap 1990s conversion ? Perhaps the > real question is whether you really want to: no regen, not great power, > poor range. If you do, ... > > I presume you can still get cheap DC motors and controllers. Of course, > you can get lead-acid, but there might be another possibility. What > about moderate sized backup power systems ? Since they are already > designed to be stand alone, one doesn't have to trick them into working > with a phantom car. > > Here are a few examples: > > > https://www.amazon.com/Cloudenergy-Rechargeable-Lifetime-Overland-Off-Grid/dp/B0B9JWWXSY/ref=asc_df_B0B9JWWXSY > 7.2kWh, 5kW output, 130 pounds, $1600 > (you could put in 3 of these, perhaps, for about 60 mile range) > > https://batteryevo.com/product/48v-husky-105ah-5-3-kwh/ > 5kWh, 5kW output, 100 pounds, $2000 > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/145169131657?chn=ps&norover=1&mkrid=711-166974-028196-7&mkscid=101&itemid=145169131657&targetid=2275367127251&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9033257&poi=&campaignid=21021646205&mkgroupid=168215069228&rlsatarget=pla-2275367127251&abcId=9381015&merchantid=5332630602&geoid=9033257&gad_source=1 > 5.1kWh, 2.1kW output, 100 pounds, $1000 > > Peri > > > > << Annoyed by leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "lektwik via EV" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: "lektwik" <lekt...@gmail.com> > Sent: 27-Apr-24 23:58:21 > Subject: Re: [EVDL] '91 BMW 318i conversion to electric > > >Howdy Folks > > > >It's been years since I posted here (ever since discussions of drag racing > >were banned), but I do still read the EVDL on occasion and credit the > folks > >here with providing an initial crash course for me on EV technology. > > > >The conversion issue made me want to chime in. The days of inexpensive > >lead-acid and DC motor conversions are long gone. I've been around this > >industry for 25 years. It's a completely different animal now. There were > >no factory EVs available then and folks were forced to accept extremely > >limited range (good luck telling someone they can only go 50 miles max on > a > >charge now and that 50% of vehicle weight in lead batteries is required to > >do it). > > > >IMHO, If you want to convert a modern car, your best bet by far is just to > >get a factory made EV. You could buy a handful of Nissan Leafs by the time > >you pay someone to do a modern vehicle conversion with decent power and > >range. Just getting the onboard computerized systems of a modern vehicle > to > >play nice with a completely foreign drivetrain is a herculean task all by > >itself. Plus you are pretty much tied to the person or shop doing the > >conversion for maintenance or repair issues into the foreseeable future. > > > >In fact, there is little that's inexpensive or easy about it now compared > >to then. The target market for conversions now is classic vehicles from > >back in the days of ignition points and carburetors. Like a collector car > >that a person would keep for decades. > > > >You need substantial bank to even consider having a nice conversion done > >for you. A $100K+ price tag is not unusual, especially using brand new > >components and including the cost of the donor vehicle. For that you could > >likely find a Rivian, Lucid, or Tesla Plaid. Especially on the used > market. > >One positive aspect is that used EV components are now available from > >wrecked EVs. We didn't have any of that back in the day. It's hard to beat > >a Tesla rear drive setup. > > > >It's nice to see folks still involved here that were posting on the EVDL > 25 > >years ago when I first got into EVs. I must say that some of those same > >folks are recommending books on EV conversion that are like 25 years out > of > >date. I personally don't see this as being helpful to those new to EVs > that > >want to learn how modern ones operate or how to convert one, especially > >with an abundance of free and modern info available on YouTube and other > >online sources. Wanna learn how to set up an Orion BMS? There are videos > on > >that. > > > >Please remember that the days of 96 volt VW Rabbit lead slugs are long > >gone. Though I've been predicting for years that unmolested examples of > >those early clik-clak DC and lead-acid conversions are the future EV > >collector's items. They are disappearing quickly. > > > > > >Roy LeMeur > > > >On Fri, Apr 26, 2024 at 2:42 PM Harsha Godavari via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org > > > >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> > https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/how-volvo-landed-cheap-chinese-ev-us-shores-trade-war-2024-04-24/ > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: EV List Lackey via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> > >> To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@lists.evdl.org> > >> Cc: EV List Lackey <evp...@drmm.net> > >> Sent: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:18:34 -0600 (MDT) > >> Subject: Re: [EVDL] '91 BMW 318i conversion to electric > >> > >> On 25 Apr 2024 at 10:48, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > >> > >> > In our case, no OEM has stepped up to make a decent van with good > >> range > >> > that's supremely reliable with a low cost-of-ownership. > >> > >> So what E-vans DO y'all have there? > >> > >> I don't know about Asia, but there are several choices in Europe, > >> most of > >> them EPTOs of Diesel vans. > >> > >> Some listed here: > >> > >>https://www.drivingelectric.com/best-cars/586/best-electric-vans > >> > >> Also small, medium, and large vans from Renault. They've just > >> updated their > >> Kangoo and Master E-Tech vans. The Master has a 3600 lb payload, and a > >> WLTP > >> range of 285 miles with the 87 kWh battery. > >> > >> Most of the EU brands, such as Citroen and Renault, don't have a > US > >> presence > >> that I know of. However, the Ford E-Transit and the VW ID Buzz Cargo > are > >> available there, right? > >> > >> Or is it mostly pickups rather than vans in the US? 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