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Ilsa Bartlett Institute for Rewiring the System http://ilsabartlett.wordpress.com http://www.google.com/profiles/ilsa.bartlett www.hotlux.com/angel <http://www.hotlux.com/angel.htm> "Don't ever get so big or important that you can not hear and listen to every other person." -John Coltrane On Sat, Aug 30, 2025, 6:53 PM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 30, 2025 at 5:33:59 AM UTC-6 Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Saturday, August 30, 2025 at 5:20:04 AM UTC-6 John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2025 at 6:56 AM Alan Grayson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > *The following quote is from Expansion of the universe > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansion_of_the_universe?utm_source=chatgpt.com> > :* > > *"The very earliest expansion, called inflation > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation_(cosmology)> saw the universe > suddenly expand by a factor of at least 1026 in every direction about > 10−32 of a second after the Big Bang. Cosmic expansion subsequently > decelerated to much slower rates, until around 9.8 billion years after the > Big Bang (4 billion years ago) it began to gradually **expand more > quickly > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_expansion_of_the_universe>, and > is still doing so." * > > *The following quote is from** Accelerating expansion of the universe > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_expansion_of_the_universe>:* > > > > *"The accelerated expansion of the universe is thought to have begun since > the universe entered its dark-energy-dominated era > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark-energy-dominated_era> roughly 5 billion > years ago"* > > > > *If you believe the results from the JWST, galaxies formed very soon after > the time of recombination, 378,000 years after the BB, say within a few > hundred million years. The galaxies were very closely packed at that time, > but their rate of separation, or shall we say expansion, cannot IMO be > determined by the 1998 discovery. You prefer, and believe, the rate was > very slow AT THAT TIME. But that's just your conjecture. I believe it was > very rapid since the BB was likely a hugely violent event. But I can't > prove that, and never claimed I could. AG * > > > *> I never disputed that conclusion; only yours, that it implies that > after the galaxies formed, the universe was expanding very slowly.* > > > *Expanding "very slowly" compared with the expansion of the universe > during inflation certainly. I will now make a statement that you dispute > that I am nevertheless absolutely certain is true: * > > *Today galaxies are expanding faster than they were before galaxies > started expanding faster. * > > *The reason I would be willing to bet my life on the above statement being > true is because all tautologies are true.* > > > *What tautology are you referring to? You really need to get your act > together and cease with your foolish accusations. AG* > > > *> Sure, after that the expansion slowed due to gravity, but the discovery > of the accelerated expansion says NOTHING about the much earlier rate of > expansion. AG * > > > *Yet more evidence that you don't read what I write, not even the parts > that I underline. * > > > *More mind-reading by the a'hole-in-chief. AG * > > > *"Cosmic expansion subsequently decelerated to much slower rates, until > around 9.8 billion years after the Big Bang (4 billion years ago) it began > to gradually **expand more quickly > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerating_expansion_of_the_universe>, and > is still doing so." * > > > *Decelerated from what? That's the issue, in case you can't remember. > Sure, I read it, several times in fact, but I see no EVIDENCE for the > conclusion you've fallen in love with; that in the very early universe, the > rate of expansion was very low. Do you know the difference between FACT and > CONJECTURE? AG * > > > * John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > <https://groups.google.com/g/extropolis>* > emq > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/289eae68-148a-4836-81c3-88465c476998n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/289eae68-148a-4836-81c3-88465c476998n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAN3PQpG%3D8JVQLg0tx39jMkq93-ThqKUo-7xH9fYUGVGwZ2uNmQ%40mail.gmail.com.
