2012/5/9 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> > On 5/9/2012 2:15 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Maybe we need to number these: >> >> (1)"...an external agent directly injected chemicals or electrical >> signals into your brain thereby causing a choice actually made by the >> external agent." >> >> To which you answered "Yes (that's unfree)." AND "...in the first >> case I can still choose." >> >> (2) "...an external agent directly injecting information *via your senses >> *..." >> >> To which you answered "...in the second case I don't have free will." >> >> Yet (2) consists only of the external agent talking to you and >> threatening or cajoling. >> >> Brent >> > > And here I made it clear that the first case was what I was talking about > first and the second case was your thought experiment (chemical/electrical > puppeting trick) that came after. > > Whatever, there is no point repeating I answer I can still choose when I > was unfree, I did not say that. > > > OK, I misunderstood what you meant by 'first' and 'second'. But then I'm > not sure what your opinion of (2) and why it is different from (1)? > > It is in the ability to make a choice yourself, not that there are limited choices options. Coercion limit the available choices... If you are obligated to choose under coercions, the choices are not free, but to act (or not) on them is still free (you still can think) contrary to when in your setting you cannot act at all.
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