2012/5/31 Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> > > > 2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > >> On May 30, 4:36 pm, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > 2012/5/30 Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > On May 29, 3:02 am, Quentin Anciaux <allco...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > > > You always put that level confusion on the table. You could expect >> to >> > > have >> > > > dinner in a virtual paris if you were in a virtual world. If you >> want an >> > > > computational AI to interact with you, it must be able to control >> real >> > > > world appendices that permits it to *interact* or likewise if it >> was in a >> > > > virtual world, you should use a interface with this virtual world >> for you >> > > > to interact. >> > >> > > > You can't expect level to be mixed without an interface and I don't >> see >> > > any >> > > > problem with that. >> > >> > > Why not? In a virtual world you could mix levels without an interface. >> > >> > No you can't, if in your virtual world, you made a real computer >> simulator, >> > what runs in the simulator cannot escape in the upper virtual world >> unless >> > you've made an interface to it. >> >> You are defining a 'real computer' in terms in terms that you are >> smuggling in from our real world of physics. In a Church-Turing >> Matrix, why would there be any kind of arbitrary level separation? The >> whole point is that there is no fundamental difference between one >> Turing emulation and another. Paris is a program. >> > > A program is running on a machine... a program interact through interface > and that's the **only** way to interact. > > >> >> > >> > If not you aren't really doing multi level simulation (simulation in a >> > simulation)... but a single level one where you made it look like multi >> > level. >> > >> > Example: if you run a virtual machine (like virtual box) and you >> virtualize >> > an OS and inside that one you run a virtual box that run another os >> inside >> > it, the second level cannot go to the first level (as the first level >> can't >> > reach the host) unless an interface between them exists. >> >> No, you can. I can log into the root level on a hardware node - pick a >> virtual machine on that node and log into it, open up a remote desktop >> > So for you a remote desktop is not an interface... "remote" is a magic mushroom ?
So for you when two programs "talk" they do it through wishful thinking ? read what **interface** means. > there and log back into the hardware node that the VM box is on if I >> want. I can reboot the hardware machine from any nested level within >> the node. There doesn't need to be an interface at all. They are all >> running on the same physical hardware node. >> >> > Well you can't read "unless an interface between them exists." > > >> Craig >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> >> > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
