On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: >>Can you give an example of something neither determined nor random? >> > > > No, not that I know to be such >
What a surprise. >but believers in contra causal free will think that at least some of their > actions are. > In other words believers in contra causal free will (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean) believe that nothing caused them to do it and being masters of doublethink simultaneously believe that nothing didn't cause them to do it, in still other words believers in "contra causal free will" believe in the power of gibberish. > I don't know whether they would allow that psychological states must be > either deterministic or random. > What do you mean you don't know! If they did it because they wanted to then it's deterministic. > There is even an interpretation of QM (mostly associated with Henry > Stapp) that looks at "random" events as "caused by future states". > Fine, but if it's caused then it's not random. Maybe things we believe are random are really caused but the causes are very strange, however just because humans find them weird does not make them one bit less mechanical. Perhaps last month you had no choice and you just had to spend good money to see the movie "John Carter on Mars", you were forced into it because a hundred years from now your great great great granddaughter will buy an ice cream cone at a movie called "Mars on John Carter". But I don't understand how any of this is supposed to make the "free will" noise less idiotic. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
