Bruno:
*"Right. I think that people believing that 1+1 can be different of 2 are
just imagining something else."* -
do you mean: "imagining something else
THAN WHAT YOU WERE *IMAGINING*?" sounds like a claim to some priviledge to
imagining - only YOUR WAY?
(I know you will vehemently deny that - ha ha).
To Guitarist:
*"It's funny how this game keeps cropping up where people want to do stuff
like: 1 + 1 = 11"*
You made my point - which was to (agnostically) expose that we have no
approved authority to a ONE AND ONLY opinion.
Not even within what we may call 'possible'.
John M
*
*
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 4:39 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> Hi Guitar boy,
>
> On 04 Jul 2012, at 16:12, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
>
> Hello Everythinglisters,
>
> First post here, and seems fun to get lost reading the discussions from
> time to time, so here somebody contributing with a more musical tendency.
>
> It's funny how this game keeps cropping up where people want to do stuff
> like: 1 + 1 = 11
>
> If people are sincere about pulling whatever sums they feel like with
> personal justification, then we might as well say 1 + 1 = 0, with a kind of
> zen logic, where everything = nothing as a fancy justification.
>
>
> Well in Z_2 = {0, 1}, we do have a law with 1+1 = 0. (modular arithmetic).
> But 1 is still different from 0. But I get your point.
>
>
> And anybody still willing to assert this could post their bank account
> details and pin numbers and be freed from arithmetic dictatorship by having
> their account cleaned out by other everything listers that DO believe in
> sums, successors etc. as 0 = whatever they want, and the sum of their
> balance doesn't really matter, as it's only some personal belief shared by
> a few control freaks.
>
>
> Right. I think that people believing that 1+1 can be different of 2 are
> just imagining something else. It is not an arguent that a truth is not
> absolute, but that the notation used to described it can have other
> interpreations. In the Z_2 structure, which plays a key role in many
> places: 2 = 0. But 2 does not represent the successor of of the successor
> of zero, it represents the rest when we divide by the usual number 2. It
> really means:
>
> odd + odd = even (the rest of 1 + 1 divided by 2 = 0)
> even + even = even (the rest of 2 + 2 divided by 2 = 0)
> odd + even = odd (the rest of 1 + 2 divided by 2 = 1)
>
>
>
> Guitar and composition imho, have arithmetic overlap, albeit in a less
> than total sense, which is why I won't have to post my details here :)
>
>
> Guitar is hardest, imo. You need good trained digits!
>
>
>
>
> Looking forward to contributing from time to time.
>
>
> You are welcome,
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
> On Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:09:53 AM UTC+2, JohnM wrote:
>>
>> Bruno asked:
>> ..... Is that an absolute truth?
>>
>> By no means. It is a word-flower, a semantic hint, something in MY
>> agnosticism and I feel like a semantic messenger only. I accept better
>> expressions.
>> (Except for "absolute truth" - ha ha).
>> And Teilhard was a great master of words.
>> John M
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 29 Jun 2012, at 16:21, John Mikes wrote:
>>>
>>> Brent, thanks for the appreciation!
>>>
>>> My point was simply that anybody's 'truth' is conditioned.
>>> We have no (approvable?) authority for an ABSOLUTE truth. Whatever "WE"
>>> accept is "human".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Is that an absolute truth?
>>>
>>> In my humble opinion, "WE = human" seems to me quite relative. When I
>>> listen to the jumping spiders or the Löbian machines, most seems to
>>> disagree.
>>>
>>> Bruno
>>>
>>> *We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are
>>> spiritual beings having a human experience.*
>>> (de Chardin).
>>>
>>>
>>> What is Mother Nature accepting?
>>>
>>> John M
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 4:09 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/28/2012 12:46 PM, John Mikes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Brent:
>>>>> I am the 3rd kind of the two: think not in binary, just in plain
>>>>> peasant logic, when 1 and 1 make 11, nothing more.
>>>>> So Bruno's "absolute truth" may have even more relatives.
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Or less facetiously, (The father of Kirsten)+(The father of
>>>> Gennifer)=(One, me) and (one raindrop)+(one raindrop)=(one raindrop). So
>>>> whether successor(x)=(x+1) depends on the applicability of arithmetic to
>>>> your model.
>>>>
>>>> Brent
>>>>
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