Stathis Papaioannou-2 wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 11:36 PM, benjayk > <benjamin.jaku...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >>> The evidence that the universe follows fixed laws is all of science. > >> That is plainly wrong. It is like saying what humans do is determined >> through a (quite accurate) description of what humans do. >> >> It is an confusion of level. The universe can't follow laws, because laws >> are just descriptions of what the universe does. > > That the universe "follows laws" means that the universe shows certain > patterns of behaviour that, fortuitously, clever humans have been able > to observe and codify. > OK, so it is a metaphor, since the laws itself are just what we codified about the behaviour of the universe (so the universe can't follow laws because the laws follow the universe).
Stathis Papaioannou-2 wrote: > > You said you see no evidence that the universe follows > laws but the evidence is, as stated, all of science. Science just requires that the universes behaviour is *approximated* by laws. Stathis Papaioannou-2 wrote: > >> Science does show us that many aspects of the universe can be accurately >> described through laws. But this is not very suprising since the laws and >> the language they evolved out of emerge from the order of the universe >> and >> so they will reflect it. >> >> Also, our laws are known to not be accurate (they simply break down at >> some >> points), so necessarily the universe does not behave as our laws suggest >> it >> does. And we have no reason to assume it behaves as any other law suggest >> it >> does. Why would be believe it, other than taking it as a dogma? > > The laws are constantly being revised, which is what science is about. > If there were no laws there would be no point to science. Right, but this doesn't mean that the laws have to be accurate or even can be accurate. They just need to be accurate enough to be useful to us. -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Simple-proof-that-our-intelligence-transcends-that-of-computers-tp34330236p34347886.html Sent from the Everything List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
