On 9/10/2012 1:29 AM, Jason Resch wrote:
Stephen,
I don't know of this woman's account is anything like Bruno's
experience or not. I believe she still experiences a stream of
consciousness, but her visual sense is devoid of movement. She
experiences only static frames:
One patient, LM, described pouring a cup of tea or coffee difficult
"because the fluid appeared to be frozen, like a glacier".^[5]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akinetopsia#cite_note-LM-4> She did not
know when to stop pouring, because she could not perceive the movement
of the fluid rising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akinetopsia
Jason
i Jason,
Isn't that exactly what I described? If you instantly forget what
you experience, and yet the act of experiencing moves on... What is that
like?
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 11:34 PM, Stephen P. King
<stephe...@charter.net <mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote:
On 9/10/2012 12:28 AM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, Sep 07, 2012 at 07:24:02AM -0400, Stephen P. King wrote:
Dear Bruno,
Could you explain a bit more what the experience of
"being
conscious in a completely atemporal mode" was like? Where
you aware
of any kind of change in your environment? Was one's internal
narrative (of external events) silent?
I have always suspected that "subjective time might
be a result
of self-consciousness" but have not had any way of
discussing the
idea coherently. If we stipulate that "subjective time" is
a form of
noticing that one is noticing changes (a second order
aspect) in
one's environment, then this would fall into being a result of
self-consciousness (which is obviously a second order
effect at
least to me). I have debated this idea before on this List
with
Russell Standish but we didn't seem to reach any definite
conclusion.
Your proposition is basically what my TIME postulate is all
about. What Bruno is suggesting is that the smoking of certain
plants
induces a conscious state that contradicts TIME. I'm not
prepared at
this stage to follow in his footsteps, so have to simply take his
observations (and of others in the Salvia forum) on face
value. I do not
know how TIME may be modified to reconcile it with this
observation,
yet remain in place for the deduction of quantum mechanics.
Cheers
Hi Russell,
Perhaps what happens under these conditions is that the second
order aspect is not measured and thus not observed. This would
have the effect of making the passage of event into a continuous
flow where we don't feel that change is happening at all. It would
be like watching a clock and not noticing difference from the past
positions of the hands; one would just be continuously in the
moment of the position at the time. This would indicate an action
of short term memory.
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Stephen
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