Hi Bruno Marchal This is also where I run into trouble with the p-zombie definition of what a zombie is. It has no mind but it can still behave just as a real person would.
But that assumes, as the materialists do, that the mind has no necessary function. Which is nonsense, at least to a realist. Thus Dennett claims that a real candidate person does not need to have a mind. But that's in his definition of what a real person is. That's circular logic. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 10/20/2012 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-10-19, 14:30:47 Subject: Re: A test for solipsism On 19 Oct 2012, at 11:41, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Russell Standish > > Not so. A zombie can't converse with you, a real person can. By definition a (philosophical) zombie can converse with you. A zombie is en entity assumed not having consciousness, nor any private subjective life, and which behaves *exactly* like a human being. Bruno > > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 10/19/2012 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen > > > ----- Receiving the following content ----- > From: Russell Standish > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-10-18, 17:48:57 > Subject: Re: Re: A test for solipsism > > > On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:58:29PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: >> Hi Stathis Papaioannou >> >> If a zombie really has a mind it could converse with you. >> If not, not. >> > > If true, then you have demonstrated the non-existence of zombies > (zombies, by definition, are indistinguishable from real people). > > However, somehow I remain unconvinced by this line of reasoning... > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Professor of Mathematics hpco...@hpcoders.com.au > University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en > . > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
