On 20 Oct 2012, at 14:04, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
This is also where I run into trouble with the p-zombie
definition of what a zombie is. It has no mind
but it can still behave just as a real person would.
But that assumes, as the materialists do, that the mind
has no necessary function. Which is nonsense, at least
to a realist.
Thus Dennett claims that a real candidate person
does not need to have a mind. But that's in his
definition of what a real person is. That's circular logic.
I agree with you on this.
Dennett is always on the verge of eliminativism. That is deeply wrong.
Now, if you want eliminate the zombie, and keep comp, you have to
eventually associate the mind to the logico-arithmetical relations
defining a computation relative to a universal number, and then a
reasoning explains where the laws of physics comes from (the number's
dream statistics).
This leads also to the arithmetical understanding of Plotinus, and of
all those rare people aware of both the importance of staying rational
on those issue, *and* open minded on, if not aware of, the existence
of consciousness and altered consciousness states.
Bruno
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/20/2012
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On 19 Oct 2012, at 11:41, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Russell Standish
Not so. A zombie can't converse with you, a real person can.
By definition a (philosophical) zombie can converse with you. A zombie
is en entity assumed not having consciousness, nor any private
subjective life, and which behaves *exactly* like a human being.
Bruno
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/19/2012
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Time: 2012-10-18, 17:48:57
Subject: Re: Re: A test for solipsism
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 01:58:29PM -0400, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
If a zombie really has a mind it could converse with you.
If not, not.
If true, then you have demonstrated the non-existence of zombies
(zombies, by definition, are indistinguishable from real people).
However, somehow I remain unconvinced by this line of reasoning...
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