Richard: and what is - NOT - an illusion? are you? or me? we have no way to ascertain existence and qualia, we just THINK. Our science is based on SOME info we don't know exactly, not even if it is like we think it is. We calculate in our human logic (stupidity would be more accurate) and then comes a newer enlightenment and we change it all. Brent wrote a nice list of such changes lately. I use the classic Flat Earth. But we live happily ever after and before (not knowing if TIME does indeed exist?). And some of us get Nobel prizes. Congrats.
So: happy illusions! John Mikes On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Richard Ruquist <yann...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > On Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:49:09 PM UTC-5, yanniru wrote: > >> > >> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Craig Weinberg <whats...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > That doesn't have anything to do with your straw man of my position. I > >> > have > >> > never once said that existence is contingent upon human > consciousness. I > >> > state again and again that it is experience itself - the capacity for > >> > sensory-motor participation which is the progenitor of all possible > >> > forms of > >> > 'existence'. Something 'being' means that there is an experience, > >> > otherwise > >> > there is no possibility of anything ever coming into being. > >> > >> However, in a static Block MWI Universe there is no need for time or > >> consciousness or experience. > > > > > > Then in what sense does it 'exist'? > > It must be an illusion. Either that or MWI is an illusion. Doesn't > Bruno say that matter is a dream or illusion? Richard > > > > >> > >> That seems to be Bruno's multiverse. > >> Although I wonder if his 1p perspective is equivalent to your > >> motor-sensory experience in order to make time,& consciousness > >> necessary? > >> Richard > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/everything-list/-/REVm4C8jHA8J. > > > > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.
