Hi Stephen P. King Agreed, the constant other observer needed to maintain the world when I close my eyes need not be God, But it has to be something like God. Omnipresent, for example. Plato called it the One.
Nothing would work without physical laws, and these cannot be directly perceived. Gravity, for example, cannot be perceived. Force also cannot be perceived, only its effects. And time and space cannot be observed. cannot be directly perceived. And do I fall on the floor when I turn out the lights at night because it is too dark to see my bed ? The list of counterfactuals goes on and on. So I say that, whatever the cause, Berkeley's theory is just plain silly. ----- Receiving the following content ----- From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-22, 08:39:30 Subject: Re: Is there an aether ? On 1/22/2013 7:22 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg If you knew more about the history of philsophy, you'd know that Berkeley finally had to admit that the world out there is real prior to our individual observation because it is all observed by God. Hi Roger, This is a good example of the problem that the notion of God has; it server only to act as an impartial observer "so that everything is real". When we consider large numbers of observers that can communicate with each other meaningfully, we obtain a means to define 'reality' and have no need for the excess hypothesis of God as observer. God's role becomes even less meaningful when we see that the point of view of such an entity cannot be transformed into that of a real observer that we can communicate with, as it is somehow special. We learn from GR and QM that there are neither preferred reference frames or observational points of view nor measurement basis. This pretty much makes the God hypothesis irrelevant. Why people would seek to rehabilitate it to play the same role again for mathematics puzzles me! -- Onward! Stephen -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en.