2013/2/5 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > > On 05 Feb 2013, at 18:10, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > 2013/2/5 Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> > >> >> On 05 Feb 2013, at 14:34, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi meekerdb >> >> >> There's nothing wrong with science as science. >> But a problem arises when you apply the results to theology. >> >> Two completely different worlds. >> >> >> That's indeed a point where string atheists agree with string christian. >> Let us try to be not serious on theology, so we can assert the fairy tales. >> Strong Christian are happy because they feel like they can contradict the >> scientific evidences, and the atheists are happy so they can continue to >> mock the christians, and continue to sleep on their own (materialist) dogma. >> > > You put meaning in atheism which is not there... an atheist can perfectly > be an idealist... materialism is not part of the definition of atheism. > > > Definition here are often contradictory. Some years ago, the definition > keep changing. > > Can you give me the name of an atheist who is idealist? >
I would say I am. Computationalism is a sort of idealistic monism. > > Bruno > Quoting wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism "Metaphysical atheism... includes all doctrines that hold to metaphysical monism (the homogeneity of reality). Metaphysical atheism may be either: a) absolute — an explicit denial of God's existence associated with materialistic monism (all materialistic trends, both in ancient and modern times); *b) relative* — the implicit denial of God in all philosophies that, while they accept the existence of an absolute, conceive of the absolute as not possessing any of the attributes proper to God: transcendence, a personal character or unity. Relative atheism is associated with idealistic monism (pantheism, panentheism, deism)." Regards, Quentin > > > > Quentin > >> >> That does not give much place for the genuine inquiry, I think. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Receiving the following content ----- >> *From:* meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> >> *Receiver:* everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> >> *Time:* 2013-02-04, 13:48:50 >> *Subject:* Re: Topical combination >> >> On 2/4/2013 7:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 03 Feb 2013, at 12:30, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi John Mikes >> � >> It says >> � >> "The Fabric of Eternity is the author's personal view of the Universe >> that allows for science and theology to explore the wonders of creation in >> peaceful unison.' >> � >> IMHO that is completely misguided, because the worlds they understand燼re >> separate magisteria, to use� >> Stephan Jay Gould's phrase.� Science deals with the physical world, and >> theology deals with >> the nonphysical world. >> >> >> Only an Aristotelian can say "science deals with the physical world". >> This sums up physicalism. >> >> A Platonist says that science is just the modest tool/method to deal with >> any subject. >> >> >> Except it was Plato who thought he could understand the world by just >> thinking about it, while it was Aristotle who went out to observe and let >> the world teach him.� So who was modest and who was arrogant? >> >> Brent >> >> Allowing the abandon of science in the theological field can only be an >> invitation to the bad faith in there, and to the "don't ask" mentality. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________________ >> *DreamMail* - The first mail software supporting source tracking >> www.dreammail.org >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list?hl=en. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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