"natural" should be prohibited in a serious talk, since everything that happens in nature is natural. Including human actions and human society, that up to my knowledge, obey the laws of nature. so everything is natural. Upto my knowledge, we are not aliens from space.
I suspect that here natural means "unchanged or unchangeable by humans" aleging a innate, genetic blueprint that is make things to be what they are. But I can not imagine anything without a genetic component. Genetic, in the philosophical sense if something that comes with it, that is inherent from the beginning. In the human and animals it is the genetic code, but also the resulting phenotype. And also the instinct and behaviours that configure "human nature" or "lion nature" or wathever as a result of the interaction between the development plan in the genetic code, the architecture of the brain created by this development plan and his interactiond of all of them with the environment. But what is natural here? That a animal mother kill his cabs seems unnatural, but that is part of the natural behaviour in case of extreme starvation. Allthough this is an extreme case that may be called aberrant, it is by no means 'natural'. But when we talk with common sense up and running we clearly identify this as unnatural. Given that common sense is the basic survival knowledge that toke un here, it has something to say. Naural in the sense of unchangeable are a lot of things humans and social things. You dont need to pass a law that prohibits to close the way out of a parked car, because it is poinless. Everyone know that parked cars owners have a right to a way out. Neither you can pass a law permitting that, because that is agains common sense, natural law and the way things are. You can not change a lot of things. And if you change them, you will be finally thrown away and things will restore themselves. Concerning racism, we are more than racists: we prefer some human beings to others. we prefer our familly to any else. We are tribalists. We naturally group together with people that share our worldviews. But we are very similar genetically. more than any other species. That genetic similarity makes altruism evolutionarily stable: We descend from a few thousands that survived a mass extincition 60.000 years ago. By evolutionary reasons, the animals that survive a bottleneck like that use to be very social and/or very pacific. Cheetah is an example. They are incapable to display violence among them. Being a predator, that is amazing. We humans are between cheetah and Chimpanzee. In a sense we all are brothers. Chimpanzees probably are incapable to be nice with foreign chimpanzees. We do because it is in our nature..But we also have the other side. We have different strategies for different situations. It si easy to feel universal broterhood in a pacific affluent neighbourhood of Beberly Hills. But it is not when your familly has been killed by terrorists. And still you sincerely pray for them. These are the people I admire. 2013/7/23 <spudboy...@aol.com> > We are not naturally racists, but we are biologically descended from > killer primates. In fact Franz Waal estimated that Chimpanzees are, by > society, 5-17 times more violent than human societies-which is hard to > imagine. We have reason to fear each other, because we often, hate, each > other, and compete, like good, primates, for resources and females, ooh > ooh! We can beat this genetic expression by working together, on agreed > upon projects, for agreed upon and desired rewards or goals. It may be > building a firehouse, or working on desalinization. Often this can beat the > devil, so to speak. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Craig Weinberg <whatsons...@gmail.com> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Cc: - Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> > Sent: Mon, Jul 22, 2013 2:21 pm > Subject: Re: We are all naturally racists. Political correctness is likely > to get you killed. > > > > On Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:03:54 AM UTC-4, Alberto G.Corona wrote: >> >> I can not resist to say something. >> >> THat something is innate or natural means that whatever to do with it >> must take into accout that this is innate or natural, no matter if this is >> morally positive or negative. Something natural can not be prohibited . >> Only can be regulated. >> > > Natural ignorance doesn't need to be prohibited, it can be educated into > voluntary transcendence. It's natural to crap in our pants, but through a > process which often requires much patience and unconditional love, even > very young children can learn to first accept that they must participate in > the political correctness of forced indoor plumbing use, and ultimately > they may discover that indeed the community of anti-pants-crapping is a > beneficial community to be a part of. > > Craig > >> >> Take revenge for example. Revenge is something natural, an evolutionary >> instinct, that correspond with an evolutionarily stable strategy intended >> to impose, in the adversary, an evil greater than the benefit it may have >> taken with his offense, making further attacks to you unworthy. That works >> even If you loose in the process of revenge a lot of effort. >> >> Well that beyond the tribal life is deleterious for a civilized society, >> since retaliations can escalate etc. Many societies have the revenge >> ritualized or codified. Others create an institution, the justice, that >> judge and administer punishments to produce the same unworthiness of >> offenses, but avoid retaliations. So revenge by cool-blood killing >> an offender is punished as an horrible crime. >> >> But the law it does not punish the small retaliations in the workplace, >> between former friends, among couples in the day to day lves There is >> ample set of aspects where retaliation is permitted while it does not cause >> violence. It is logical: It would be comic to see people going to the >> justice like the children go to their parents saying "look my brother >> pushed me, punish it!" >> >> Well, with the hysteria of racism we are going in this nonsensical >> path. People want to be equally or more antiracist than the neighbor. >> Perhaps because people need to be united by some common beliefs and values, >> and when there is no belief nor values, they are fabricated, The more crazy >> they are, the more lies and half truths they imply, the more they work as >> elements of cohesion. See my other posts. >> >> The recently converted moral zealots of antiracism -or whatever is in >> fashion now- are scanning you. Take care >> >> >> 2013/7/17 Roger Clough <rcl...@verizon.net> >> >>> Political correctness is likely to get you killed. >>> >>> We are all naturally racists. Blame it on Darwin. Zenophobia -- >>> fear or dislike of outsiders--is what has allowed us to survive. >>> >>> Unfortunately the liberalized dictionaries I can find online refer >>> to it as "abnormal" or "irrational". Is it abnormal to be >>> cautious in the presence of strangers ? The left refers to >>> such feelings as "politically incorrect". But I don't think it >>> is irrational for a mother to tell her children not to talk to >>> strangers, >>> no matter what their color. >>> >>> We instinctively, for our own safety, are somewhat fearful >>> and unfriendly to strangers, no matter what their color. >>> Jesus said to love our neighbors, but he didn't say to >>> go looking for strangers to love. >>> >>> So IMHO political correctness is likely to get you killed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) 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