On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 12:57 PM, <spudboy...@aol.com> wrote: > Mach was the big physicist and thermodynamicist, Mach's Principle.
Ernst Mach was a big philosopher but he was more of a medium size physicist. He wrote his most important scientific paper in 1887, but the man lived till 1916 and is far far better remembered as a philosopher than a scientist. He spent nearly 30 years on philosophy and in opposing Quantum Mechanics, Einstein's Theory of Relativity both general and special, and even the atomic theory of matter. He opposed these superb scientific theories for purely philosophical reasons I might add. Yet another reason philosophy has a bad name. The great philosophical discoveries were made by Darwin and Mendel and Watson and Crick and Maxwell and Einstein and Bohr and Heisenberg and Feynman and Godel and Turing. None of these people called themselves philosophers and some even expressed contempt for the subject, but they made the great philosophical discoveries of the age nevertheless. Let me issue a challenge to all on this list: Tell me one thing, just one thing, that people who call themselves philosophers have discovered in the last 2 centuries that is deep, clear, precise, unexpected, and true that scientists had not discovered long before. John K Clark > All I am saying that often in public discourses' I will see physicists, > very hard case ones. delve into logical possitivism. They may also enjoy > frosted flakes, as well, but the do the LP dance sometimes. But, what of > it? It's simply my experience of these chats. I do really like it when > philosophers do go deep into the sciences though. It clicks for me. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> > To: everything-list <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2013 9:51 pm > Subject: Re: What gives philosophers a bad name? > > Do they deny the existence of electrons? quarks? as Mach denied atoms. > > Brent > > > > On 9/7/2013 3:52 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: > > Yet, there's lots of scientists in public forums like this, who embrace > logical positivism. I am not saying this is a good thing, but something I > have experienced. > -----Original Message----- > From: meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> <meeke...@verizon.net> > To: everything-list > <everything-list@googlegroups.com><everything-list@googlegroups.com> > Sent: Sat, Sep 7, 2013 4:16 pm > Subject: Re: What gives philosophers a bad name? > > On 9/7/2013 12:40 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > > That's right. I´m not joking if i say that the thing that discredited > philosophers definitively was relativity, quantum mechanics and their > realization: the atomic bomb. That is the event that raised physicalism, a > branch of logical positivism and analytical philosophy, and discredited any > other way of thinking. > > > If by "physicalism" you mean the meta- of physics, then it's not > positivism. Positivism hasn't been considered a good meta-physics since > Mach. Too many unobservable things: atoms, photons, quarks, virtual > particles,... turned out to make good empirical models. > > Brent > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3392 / Virus Database: 3222/6645 - Release Date: 09/07/13 > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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