On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:11 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On 10/20/2013 8:18 PM, Jason Resch wrote: > >> If the first person views/memories are not integrated, they are not >> experienced by the Jupiter brain, only instantiated, and it learns nothing >> of what it is like to *be* the beings it discovers. >> > > ?? How is an experience instantiated without being experienced? Sounds > like double talk. All experiences are experienced, but the question in this case is by whom? Who can rightfully be said to be an owner of that experience? There are two minds in this case: There is the Jupiter brain's mind, and there is Brent Meeker's mind. The Jupiter brain might choose to simulate all of Earth, and thus it will instantiate yours, mind, and all earthlings' brains. And so Brent Meeker will experience what it is like to be Brent Meeker. But the mind of the Jupiter brain will not be able to remember what it is like to be Brent Meeker without creating some kind of bridge to make Brent's memories and experiences accessible to that mind. Brent Meeker is always an owner of Brent Meeker's experiences, but there may be other entities who can rightfully be said to be owners of those experiences, by virtue of having memory of having been Brent Meeker, for example. > > > >> But that is beside the point, even if this brain was not integrating the >> experiences into a single view, and instead was morphing its brain such >> that it experiences one lifetime after, this activity creates a chain of >> connections that goes through all the observer's lifetimes it ever >> experiences. >> > > Why do experiences need some outside agent, "this brain" to integrate > them? They only need to be integrated if you want the experience to belong to other minds. > I thought the idea was that experiences formed a chain by their inherent > content. > Think of a it like this: Imagine a youtube of the future that enabled full sensory immersion. Now there are millions of experiences uploaded to this site, and each of the experiences has been viewed thousands of times, by any of millions of different real-world observers. Who then are the true owners of the experience? When the experience ends the playback, you don't know which of the thousands of viewers you will then discover yourself to be. A complex and highly connected web is formed between all the observers, as they are connected through the shared experiences. The chain of experience bifurcates at the end of each uploaded experience, branching to any of the thousands of people who have seen, or ever will see this experience. The Jupiter brains that exist throughout mathematical reality (or in the arithmetic in computationalism) are like these "Youtube of the future" users, who not only see vast numbers of experiences, but come across the same experiences and hence link themselves to other jupiter brains in the same way the users of this website link themselves together. Jason -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
