On 05 Dec 2013, at 19:11, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be>
wrote:
On 04 Dec 2013, at 16:24, Telmo Menezes wrote:
Hi Alberto,
I agree with you that religion cannot be avoided in this sense.
Here's a funny example:
The Leipzig secular solstice celebration:
http://lesswrong.com/meetups/u6
Here's a video of some guy who's trying to become a priest for
atheists:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vIFloLATxo
(I still have some hope that the guy is a comedian, in which case
he's a genius)
One of the most perverse "tricks" that the system played on us, in
my opinion, was in convincing people to accept that the state
should raise the kids. Sure, people spend a couple of hours with
them between days spent working mostly unnecessary jobs, but the
bulk of modern education is provided by institutionalised school
and TV. I agree with the importance of teaching kids math, reading
comprehension, etc, but school is just terrible. It also teaches us
to tolerate absurd levels of boredom, to replace thinking with
accepting authority and it creates an artificial reward system,
where one can get addicted to a feeling of accomplishment without
accomplishing anything. Of course, all these things make us more
compliant in later on accepting lives without meaning.
Democracy is almost funny. People believe in this myth that it
enforces the "will of the people", but if you ask anyone
individually you will find that you cannot easily find a person
whose opinion ever influenced anything whatsoever. It's even hard
to have an opinion. The better part of their days people are
slaves, and when tired they are spoon fed badly disguised world
views sprinkled over mindless entertainment.
Everyone should have at least one psychedelic experience. This
would change the world faster and better than any ideology.
All religions have their psychedelic substances. Christianism is
mainly wine (Christ blood!), although some pretended that Jesus took
magic shrooms. Cannabis would already change a lot, and salvia,
often called a medication to cure atheism (!) could bring much more
change. Quite possibly.
I heard a guy who researches compared religions make an interesting
case that colourfully wrapped gifts under the christmas tree
represent magic mushrooms -- stemming from a pagan tradition from
cold European countries were magic mushrooms will, indeed, grow
under pine trees in winter. Of course this is just a case where
Christianism assimilated a pagan ritual.
Interesting,
Bruno
Telmo.
Bruno
Telmo.
On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com
> wrote:
Two more remarks:
I´m astonished contemplating how people can contemplate with
horror the belief in a god that they thing that it does not exist
and accept the belief in worldly lies and praise completely
invented myths about their favorite heroes Even if they know that
are false. That Kim Jon Il wrote a mean of tree books a day is
incredible for them but there are equally fantastic histories and
Myths widely believed that would make Chesterton crap up.
The wishfulthinker fall in tears when pronouncing his sacred
capitalized worlds: People, Democracy, Equalty Human Rights and so
on. In the past, Socialism, Worker Class and such craps motivated
the same heart lifts. Today even the Terrorists invoke what they
call Democracy with passion.
But in his country, like in any other, the same families alternate
in government, with a few exceptions, no matter the kind or regime
and the political party. All are equals except that some are more
equal than others. Perhaps things are closer to the Ancient Regime
rather than to the myths of his utopic society. The more the
utopics are in power, the more the ancient regime (that they had in
the imagination) returns. Perhaps all such elevated concepts are
not part of the reality but ideological constructions and their
most known advocates, just power seekers that may deserve the
worship of the wishfulthinkers?
I repeat the cult of men to men is the most primitive and dangerous
religion. And RELIGION CAN NOT BE AVOIDED: you can not live without
a form of religion or religions like you can not live alone.
2013/12/1 Alberto G. Corona <agocor...@gmail.com>
Government by the Rule of Law (of physics) I would say.
There is much much in the relation between the republican idea of
society, and pragmatical atheism of the contractualists Hobbes,
rousseau, Locke (let the state work without religion), that later
became ideological (atheism is the religion of the state).
The idea of ruling society by laws was probably inspired by
newtonian phisics (but not by newtonian theology) and the market
economy. what is initially science or experience can become a myth
that organize a society.
But this gobernment by rules is a hopeful ideal. In other words, a
myth. But a myth necessary for the state religion. Whenever there
are laws there is a sovereingh lawyers. "The people" in "democracy"
is such lawyer say the modern wishfulthinker. That is nothing but
another two myths. hypostases, something that does not exist bu in
the mind by an effort of faith for the purpose of social cooperation.
So to summarize, the human mind can not live withouth myths. If he
reject the given ones, he invent its own.
2013/12/1 LizR <lizj...@gmail.com>
Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I
would say.
On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough <rclo...@verizon.net> wrote:
How can a grown man be an atheist ?
An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
function without some form of government.
How silly.
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
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