On 30 Dec 2013, at 23:32, Stephen Paul King wrote:




On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 5:19 PM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:
On 12/30/2013 2:08 PM, LizR wrote:
On 31 December 2013 10:33, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote:

But then the explanation for *this* is that it's just a random one we happen to exist in. I don't see that as any better than saying that somethings happen at random and they led to here.

Yeah, it's the WAP.

Seems quite reasonable to me.

It's superior to the random one because that makes more assumptions about the nature of reality.

How so? They seem of similar magnitude to me. Remember I'm asking for an explanation of *this*. Not just an explanation of why there is *some world* with people.

Because observers do something, they Observe. That is an action. Don't separate observers from their observations. Simple rule linking observers to observations. X can only experience worlds (collections of observations) whose existence is consistent with the observer's existence.

Let me drill down a bit more into this.

We can take for granted that when we observe some X, we are also observing ourselves in the act of observing X. It is a Lob theorem kinda thing.

To be sure, the material hypostases are not transitive, so when we observe, we don't observe that we observe, but when we feel or know, it is the case that we feel feeling and we know that we know (although not as such).

Here I use comp + Theaetetus.

Bruno




Prof. Standish was right about ants! There is no consciousness without self-awareness! Also, disallowing ghost prohibits the possibility of observing a world "from the outside".

Is this helping?



Brent

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