Stephen, Jason, Liz, The answer is very simple when one understands there are two kinds of time. Present moment P-time is the processor cycle of the computations, and the computations compute clock time.
The computations MUST take place in time of some sort to compute anything. The fact that there is a logical sequence that isn't moving gives us nothing. All comps, including Bruno's, must face this problem which Liz properly raises.... OK, I'm ducking, but nevertheless it's the only reasonable explanation! :-) Edgar On Monday, December 30, 2013 12:43:34 AM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > Dear Jason, > > You seem to be ignoring the role of the transitory that is involved in > the discussion here. The fact is that we are asking questions about things > we are trying to understand. Merely stating that this is that ignores the > point. Where doth change emerge if it does not exist at all? > This is my problem with Platonia, it has no explanation for the > appearance of change. We can point at this or that (figuratively speaking) > as an explanation, but the finger that points does not vanish upon > alighting on the answer. > > > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:36 AM, Jason Resch <jason...@gmail.com<javascript:> > > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Stephen Paul King < >> step...@provensecure.com <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> Hi Jason, >>> >>> So what is turning the "knob" on the values of y (or x)? >>> >> >> Nothing, the whole graph exists at once, but y varies as x varies. Why >> does x=1,y=9 have to be destroyed to make room for x=2,y=11? What does >> destroying the previous state add to x=2,y=11 that wasn't there before? >> >> Now consider we aren't dealing with a simple line, but an equation >> tracing the interactions of all the particle interactions in your brain. >> If x=1 corresponds to your consciousness in time 1, and x=2 corresponds to >> your consciousness in time 2, then how would destroying the x=1 state >> change your conscious state for x=2? >> >> Jason >> >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Jason Resch >>> <jason...@gmail.com<javascript:> >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 9:40 PM, Stephen Paul King < >>>> step...@provensecure.com <javascript:>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Brent, >>>>> >>>>> I have a persisting question. How is is that we can get away with >>>>> using verbs (implying actions) when we are describing timeless entities? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> In the same way we can say that y increases as x increases, in the >>>> graph of y = 2x + 7 >>>> >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/7G5zm5OFT0k/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> everything-li...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to everyth...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> >> . >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > > > -- > > Kindest Regards, > > Stephen Paul King > > Senior Researcher > > Mobile: (864) 567-3099 > > step...@provensecure.com <javascript:> > > http://www.provensecure.us/ > > > “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of > the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain > information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as > attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message > immediately.” > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
