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[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal
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Subject: Re: Another shot at how spacetime emerges from computational
reality
On 31 Dec 2013, at 22:16, LizR wrote:
My 15 year old son asked me "Why do people believe in God?"
Because all correct machine, cognitively rich enough (= believing in numbers
and induction, or being Löbian, ...) when they look inward, discover the gap
between G and G*, or the gap between truth about them and proof about them.
Then some machine try to communicate that experience---which is impossible,
and so they will use image and parables, which are not understood, and
parrots repeat, politician exploits, and little children believe they
parroting parents, teachers, etc.
We all believe, consciously or unconsciously, in God, in that large sense
of a transcendental reason of our existence, but we are always wrong when we
project attributes to It/Her/Him, and much more wrong when invoking them for
direct terrestrial purposes, where "God" is only an authoritative argument
(always invalid, especially in the religion field, where it used the most).
>>Adults believing literally in fairy tales are just infants refusing to
grow spiritually. They are governed by people who want steal the
responsibility and the maturity, and which have no interest at all in
spiritual research. The goal is to steal more easily the money and power.
Religion – IMO -- can be distilled down to politics by other means; it
harnesses the deepest urges and powerful impulses within us and systemizes
these, providing channelized modalities of expression that provides the
worshipper with internal validation and preset answers, while corralling
them into a protean mass whose collective energy and “will” can be directed
towards achieving whatever political goals is profitable for the individuals
controlling the belief establishment.
Something I find fascinating is how so many religions and pseudo-religions
seek to establish a monopoly on belief…. on what can be believed and what
cannot be believed. If belief is the currency of religion; it stands to
reason that established faiths seek to maintain a stranglehold on the entire
psychological apparatus of belief within the populations of individuals that
are born into the regions (or communities) where these organized belief
systems prevail.
Chris
Bruno
Once I'd sung a couple of verses of "The Second Sitting for the Last Supper"
by 10cc (as you do) I started to explain the various angles on this -
avoiding cognitive dissonance, being sure that you're right in the face of
all the evidence, having answers to all possible criticisms because of "The
Book", being able to take the moral highground and patronise all the deluded
fools who haven't seen the light, and so on.
No relevance to the present topic, of course.
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