On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:14:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Consider the posts by Craig. He said clearly "no" to that question, > making his assumption (existence of a primitive sense) coherent. But > he used his assumption to justify his negation of comp, but that is > usually invalidated by the fact that machines get the same conclusion > than his. His assumption are also quite fuzzy, but there has never > been any trouble with him, notably because he does never insult or > patronized others. > > > Thanks Bruno, I appreciate that. For the record, I would submit that your ability to see your way through the stereotypical machine beliefs personally suggests that you are setting a double standard whereby a particular machine (namely you, or anyone who subscribes to comp) is exempt from "the fact that machines get the same conclusion". It's a bit of a loaded question. If I agree with comp then I am in some sense more than machine, but if I claim my own authority independent of comp, then my claim is false by comp.
I see it the other way around. If sense is primary, then logic is the extension of sense into the unsensed. It is mechanized inference, aka, computation. It uses the 'space between' sense to infer measurement, and as such, does indeed access a kind of interstitial Platonic matrix of eternal truths...however, in my view, they are only truths about how sense interacts with itself from a distance - very close to sense, but not quite as fundamental. In this way, computation is something like the 'perfect imperfect' - the imposter, an emulator and digitizer of proprietary content into public, anonymous 'films' of sense. From that perspective, I think that it makes sense that logic mistakes itself for sense, so that the fact that logic itself would reflect the assumptions that those with logical minds tend to make is consistent. Thanks, Craig > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
