On 31 January 2014 04:19, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: >> I don't think there is a problem if consciousness is an epiphenomenon. > > > Is it not that very idea which leads to the notion of zombie? > If consciousness is an epiphenomenon, eliminating it would change nothing in > the 3p.
There can be no zombies if consciousness is epiphenomenal. Equivalently, if consciousness is epiphenomenal we could say it does not really exist and we are all zombies; but I think that's just semantics, and misleading. >> If you start looking for consciousness being an extra thing with >> (perhaps) its own separate causal efficacy, that's where problems >> arise. > > > Dualism is a problem. Making consciousness epiphenomenal is not satisfying, > and basically contradicted in the everyday life. It is because pain is > unpleasant that we take anesthetic medicine. > > The brain is obliged to "lie" at some (uncknown, crypted) level, not for > consciousness (that it filters), but for pain and joy. That's normal. If you > run toward the lion mouth, you lower the probability of surviving. > > Epiphenomenalism does not eliminate consciousness, but it still eliminate > conscience and persons. I don't think it diminishes the significance of consciousness, but maybe I just look at it differently. > With comp I think we avoid it, even if the solution will appear to be very > Platonist, as truth, beauty, and universal values (mostly unknown) will be > more "real" than their local terrestrial approximations through primitively > physical brains and other interacting molecules like galaxies foam. > > Bruno > >> >> >> -- >> Stathis Papaioannou >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Stathis Papaioannou -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
