On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 4:37:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 04 Feb 2014, at 18:07, Craig Weinberg wrote:
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> Numbers can be derived from sensible physics 
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> That is a claim often done, but nobody has ever succeed without assuming 
> Turing universality (and thus the numbers) in their description of physics.
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Turing universality can just be a property of physics, like density or 
mass. Just as Comp does a brute appropriation of qualia under 1p 
uncertainty, physics can do a brute appropriation of arithmetic under 
material topology. It would explain why Turing universality does not apply 
to gases and empty space. Computers require object-like properties to 
control and measure digitally.

 

> You often say, "we can do that", but this makes sense only if you do it 
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Some people might say that it is being done: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDCwrbqHfTM 
The Future of Computing -- Reuniting Bits and Atoms


The Future of Computing — Reuniting Bits and Atoms

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> as easily as physics can be derived from sensible numbers.
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> Physics  is not yet extracted, only the or some quantum tautologies, and 
> that was not that much easy, at least for me ...
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But the principle of the possibility is not difficult, at least, not for 
anyone who has ever programmed a player-missile graphic/avatar/collision 
detection in a game.

Craig
 

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