On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 10:57 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 11 February 2014 16:40, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net> wrote: > >> >> The claimed consequence is that consciousness can be instantiated by a >> computation which requires no physical events. But I think what is shown >> is that there can be a world including conscious beings which does not >> require physical events in our world, i.e. they can be merely arithmetical >> or Turing machince "events". In other words it is possible to simulate a >> world with conscious beings. But that's not so surprising and doesn't >> imply that physics in this world is derivative from arithmetic (but it >> doesn't imply the contrary either). >> >> I'm not sure I see how you get the conclusion that such a thing can be > simulated in our world (if we assume it's physical) ? The UDA could be run > physically in our universe, but non "aphysically" (that I know of???) > >> >> It's all very well having reservations that X might make a difference, >> but as Bruno keeps saying, show him where he's gone wrong so he can stop >> worrying about comp and spend his time keeping bees instead! >> >> And I keep saying show me a significant prediction (not retrodiction) of >> comp. >> > > You wouldn't need to say that if you could show what's wrong with it! :-) > > (Sorry!) > > I think the chances are a TOE will have to go a looong way before it's > likely to make predictions rather than retrodictions. Didn't string theory > retrodict the graviton or something, and everyone said that was a positive > result? Well, Bruno's got qualia, apparently... >
String theory based on Maldacena's conjecture predicted the viscosity of the quark-gluon plasma before it was measured and more recently explained the mechanism behind EPR based on Einstein-Rosen bridges, which is more like a retrodiction. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
