On 2/17/2014 1:55 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 05:33:48AM -0800, Edgar L. Owen wrote:
Russell,
All of science assumes an external reality independent of human
observation.
Who says? I must have been asleep when they announced this in Physics
101! Actually, I'm pretty sure they never did.
I'd say science assumes that we can agree on observations. The success of this hypothesis
is generally taken as evidence for a reality independent of human observation.
Brent
Science is what gives us by far our most accurate view of the
universe. So what is your reasoning to reject this fundamental assumption
of science?
Science doesn't need it, and as far as I can tell, science is not
interested in ontological questions like that.
What it does assume is that phenomena is describable in a compressed
form, and that predictions are possible using these compressed
descriptions. And that's about it - no need to ask what the phenomena
being described really is - that sort of talk is relegated to the pub,
or to internet discussion fora like this.
Can you define your "intersubjective reality"?
Does it include all humans?
Does it exclude rats and other non-human life forms? Do you think this
intersubjective reality actually somehow creates the non-human or
non-living universe? Did it create the stars and galaxies, or are they only
figments of our collective consciousness?
You and I share an intersubjective reality. Liz & I share another one,
that is almost, but not quite, the same. The rat and I share another
one, but it is rather different, and more basic. A being in a
completely different universe of the multiverse shares just the
Schroedinger equation. And so on..
I don't understand your questions about "creation" here.
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