On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:21:52 PM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
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> On Monday, March 10, 2014 1:49:01 PM UTC, chris peck wrote:
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>> >> you are saying that something musically significant happened here
>>
>> Something significant happened to pop music for sure.
>>
>> In 1977 the charts were dominated by David Soul, Rod Stewart, Brotherhood 
>> of Man, Leo Sayer, Hot Chocolate, Boney M, Shawaddywaddy and Billy Ocean. 
>> Daddy Cool. Rockin' All Over the World and Yes Sir, I can Boogie.
>>
>> And then:
>>
>> Dragged on a table in factory
>> Illegitimate place to be
>> In a packet in a lavatory
>> Die little baby screaming
>> Body screaming fucking bloody mess
>> Not an animal
>> It's an abortion
>>
>> Body! I'm not animal
>> Mummy! I'm not an abortion
>>
>>
>> It kind of hits you in the face with the reality as experienced by the 
>> dispossessed and disenfranchised, but in a very immediate and visceral way. 
>> Its far more gut wrenching and confrontational than iggy pop, or the clash 
>> or any other punk band I know of. Most people are so offended someone is 
>> singing about abortion that they miss the fact that the song is an argument 
>> between the unborn child and the mother. For a spotty teenager that's 
>> pretty brainy lyrically and very surreal. 
>>
>>  I don't think it was ever matched until the Pixies really.
>>
>> I stand by the Pistols. True, Rotten is a twat now. He wasn't then though.
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>>
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> I think they were shit, but then it was all just a little before my time. 
> I ran away from care homes about 1980 to fine my estranged mum shacked up 
> with the ex Crass guitarist Steve Herman in some shitty 
> squat<http://www.coventgardenmemories.org.uk/page_id__124_path__.aspx> called 
> trentishoe mansions. From there I moved out to live with the punks and 
> skins of the west end 1980 generation. Better than a care home hee hee. It 
> were great funny actually. But...all the biggest idiots always had sex 
> pistols tattoos and sid vicious jackets. The music they made was rubbish. 
> An d tends to be remembered as punk. Which even I buy into, hence surprise 
> at that clash sound up the top of the thread. All the others liz mentioned 
> were much better, though I couldn't have named them myself. Much more a 
> case of, I lived it  but I couldn't paint it.
>
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>> > From: kimj...@ozemail.com.au
>> > Subject: Re: The way the future was
>> > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 21:03:43 +1100
>> > To: everyth...@googlegroups.com
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>> > > On 10 Mar 2014, at 4:30 am, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > Although I have very little good to say about Malcolm McLaren he did 
>> arguably launch a whole new musical experience with the Sex Pistols, a type 
>> of music which had until then only been underground (Rezillos? B52s ?) but 
>> bubbled to the surface when Rotten et al appeared on prime time TV swearing 
>> away. The world was never the same.
>> > 
>> > I lived through it and was even more the same after it. With all due 
>> respect, you are saying that something musically significant happened here 
>> but I only ever heard "racket and rubbish" from Johnny Rotten. I mean, he 
>> called himself rotten for a reason. He was. He was musically as rotten as 
>> festering shit. What was musically significant about the Sex Pistols? I 
>> mean, concerning the actual elements of music. Things like pitch, rhythm, 
>> harmony, melody - all that core stuff. His music shows no skill whatsoever 
>> at those things. But then he didn't even write his own music because he was 
>> too off his dial most of the time. None of this precludes the distinct 
>> possibility that you, as I myself still do, find vastly entertaining, 
>> listening to the Sex Pistols very occasionally. I often do listen to music 
>> I really hate if only to realise why in ever more glory that I love the 
>> music I really do love...
>> > 
>> > Feel free to hate this post creatively in some way. McClaren would have.
>> > 
>> > Kim
>> > 
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>  
 
I just thought of a great way to end this thread 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUwW108ITzw 

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