They're trying to find that jet that got lost on the Indian Ocean somewhere. But most of the objects the satellites zoom in on are just... trash. Ocean garbage is creating so many false positives, that it impedes finding a missing plane.
You don't even have to be "green" to understand that it's not productive or rational to keep having mountains of redundant material and poison keep accumulating and multiplying around us. The "discussion" in the total black white form displayed occasionally in this thread, is a U.S. phenomenon. Everybody else has moved on from yes/no to the how-question and its economic, political, regulatory traps/subtleties, which, with prohibition background, are complex/insane enough. For instance, people I know involved in monitoring plant species to assess efficacy of local measures to help biodiversity do its thing, are often trapped in some political game of stakeholders. Scientists: "It would be good to reseed those plots properly with local species now." Green Politics/Money: "Don't do it now! Wait until next year, so we have more 'devastation leverage' in our data. Otherwise, no contract." So yes, prohibition/politics are very much intertwined with the question and hinder simple scientific common sense; even by the "green political conspirators". PGC On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote: > > On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:03, LizR wrote: > > On 3 April 2014 05:56, Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of smi...@zonnet.nl >> >> It is the belief that the scentists can be trusted to do the research they >> are supposed to do in a scientifically responsible way, vs. the belief in >> the conspiracy theory that the entire scientific field has been hijacked >> by >> ultra left wing environmental pressure groups. >> >> Saibal >> >> A conspiracy theory that has become spread through massive funding by the >> big holders of fossil carbon reserves -- seeking to protect the future >> valuation of those reserves, which has a large impact on the current >> valuation of their carbon holdings. An eminently rational (if cynical) >> motive, for these narrow carbon interests, but one that has sowed >> confusion >> and doubt, using the same "junk science" (and "left wing hijacked >> science") >> accusations that were perfected by Big Tobacco in the preceding decades. >> It >> worked then for Big Tobacco and this same strategy of sowing falsehoods, >> is >> working now for the big carbon interests. >> >> Exactly. It's even been making some headway in the interests of denying > evolution, for God (as it were) knows what reason. > > > > That is why I don't think politics is possible as long as prohibition > continue. It has been used as a sort of Trojan horse for bandits, and they > will sell you what they want. > > Stopping prohibition will not be enough. We must separate politics from > money. We should vote on ideas and not humans. We should find a way to > prevent democracies against propaganda, if not corporatism. > > The green should be ally with the antiprohibitionists. I do think that > "prohibition" is the deep reason of possible climate perturbation, and > economy. > Like the abandon of rationality in the "spiritual" is the deep reason of > why the non-sensical prohibition has seem conceivable today. > > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
