On Thu, Apr 3, 2014 at 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > On 02 Apr 2014, at 23:03, LizR wrote: > > On 3 April 2014 05:56, Chris de Morsella <cdemorse...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: everything-list@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of smi...@zonnet.nl >> >> It is the belief that the scentists can be trusted to do the research they >> are supposed to do in a scientifically responsible way, vs. the belief in >> the conspiracy theory that the entire scientific field has been hijacked >> by >> ultra left wing environmental pressure groups. >> >> Saibal >> >> A conspiracy theory that has become spread through massive funding by the >> big holders of fossil carbon reserves -- seeking to protect the future >> valuation of those reserves, which has a large impact on the current >> valuation of their carbon holdings. An eminently rational (if cynical) >> motive, for these narrow carbon interests, but one that has sowed >> confusion >> and doubt, using the same "junk science" (and "left wing hijacked >> science") >> accusations that were perfected by Big Tobacco in the preceding decades. >> It >> worked then for Big Tobacco and this same strategy of sowing falsehoods, >> is >> working now for the big carbon interests. >> >> Exactly. It's even been making some headway in the interests of denying > evolution, for God (as it were) knows what reason. > > > > That is why I don't think politics is possible as long as prohibition > continue. It has been used as a sort of Trojan horse for bandits, and they > will sell you what they want. > > Stopping prohibition will not be enough. We must separate politics from > money. > Agreed, but I think there's a subtly here -- politics in necessarily about money, because money is the fundamental tool that we have to manage resources, unless someone figures out a way to make communism work. There's nothing fundamentally good or evil about money, it's just a neutral tool that can be used both ways. I see the problem as more one of managing incentives. People react to incentives. I strongly believe that the pollution problem could be mitigated quickly if the free market had the incentive to do so. Carbon credits are a horrible idea, because they reinforce bad behaviours without creating the incentives that can actually solve the problem. If an objective cost can be calculated for the damage that certain companies cause to the environment, then let's charge them for this and re-distribute this money directly to the people, with no special rules or distinctions. Just a simple division. None of this money should ever fall under the control of politicians. Then the companies have an incentive to solve the problem, and less people have an incentive to lie. This should be purely handed by the police and the courts, in the same way that they are used to place a cost on other undesirable behaviours. If instead this money falls under the control of politicians, we now have two problems. Best, Telmo. > We should vote on ideas and not humans. We should find a way to prevent > democracies against propaganda, if not corporatism. > > The green should be ally with the antiprohibitionists. I do think that > "prohibition" is the deep reason of possible climate perturbation, and > economy. > Like the abandon of rationality in the "spiritual" is the deep reason of > why the non-sensical prohibition has seem conceivable today. > > > Bruno > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
