On 4/6/2014 11:36 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote:
On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 6:47 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:On 4/5/2014 4:18 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 1:04 AM, meekerdb <meeke...@verizon.net <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 4/5/2014 3:54 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote:Sure, I also find it quite likely that powerful fossil fuel companies are lobbying or using even dirtier tricks to discredit AGW theory. On the other hand, this says nothing about the truth status of AGW theory.Doesn't it? If it weren't true, then dirty tricks wouldn't be needed to discredit it, would they? It could be discredited like the flat earth, creationism, and cigarettes-are-good-for-you theories. If that was true, the world would be free from religious superstitionSo do you classify religion as a conspiracy? Do you think clergy are really all atheists and are just conspiring to fool others? I subscribe Bruno's and Kim's replies.But this is besides the point here. You claimed that, if AGW was false, then oil companies would only need to falsify the models to affect political change. If that were true, then it wouldn't be the case that the majority of the world population is religious, because most religious claims are trivially and publicly falsified by the many fields of modern science, from cosmology to archeology.
Religions make vague claims which are 'interpreted' and so cannot be falsified - notice that even Bruno believes in a God and refers to angels (of course he 'interprets' them very differently). But the oil companies don't offer any corrections to the absorbtion spectrum of CO2 or the insolation power or the measurements of temperature... They just attempt to obfuscate the problem of climate prediction by pointing to minor gaps in knowledge and saying, "What about THIS?": Maybe cosmic rays make clouds. Why is the stratosphere cooler in the equatorial zone? Maybe weather stations have been moved. Didn't temperatures rise before CO2 did in prehistoric times? ...
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