> On 30-May-2014, at 7:04 pm, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >>> On 30-May-2014, at 12:03 pm, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 5/29/2014 9:52 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30-May-2014, at 9:16 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> On 5/29/2014 8:43 PM, Samiya Illias wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30-May-2014, at 7:35 am, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30 May 2014 14:26, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> These are people who are committing crimes in the name of religion. >>>>>>>> You, on the outside, are horrified by such acts in the name of Islam, >>>>>>>> and are terrified of it, rightly so. We, on the other hand, live in >>>>>>>> midst of this blatant violation of the guidance in the Quran! What >>>>>>>> these elements have not been able to find or insert in the Quran, they >>>>>>>> have created >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Some of the people involved are priests, and some are students of Islam >>>>>>> - do you think that these are people who are committing crimes in the >>>>>>> name of religion? Again this is a straight question, I'm not drawing >>>>>>> any conclusions at the moment. >>>>>> >>>>>> What's wrong is wrong. They may think they're doing right and may feel >>>>>> it to be their pious duty, however it is still wrong. How God will judge >>>>>> them is another matter, let God do that. However, it is important to >>>>>> speak up and point out that it's incorrect and inhumane. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please also bear in mind that all religions have suffered the tragedy of >>>>>> deviation from the original message, misunderstood and convoluted it >>>>>> into something terrible. >>>>> >>>>> Exactly. And why is that? Isn't it because religions derive their dogma >>>>> from divine revelations which cannot be discarded, only "interpreted". >>>>> What religion ever praised the will to find out instead of the will to >>>>> believe? >>>> >>>> ALQURAN CH3:191 >>>> >>>> Those who remember Allah standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, >>>> and think deeply about the creation of the heavens and the earth,"Our >>>> Lord! You have not created this without purpose, glory to You! Give us >>>> salvation from the torment of the Fire. >>>> >>>> You can find many verses in the Quran which exhort us to think and use our >>>> intelligence. >>> >>> And if you followed that advice you'd stop believing you can learn morals >>> from an imaginary despot. >>> >>> Brent >> >> Morals are inbuilt. People all over the globe generally consider lying, >> cheating, stealing, killing, etc as wrong. >> However, there are certain situations where some of us are inclined to >> leniency while others demand strict action. With our limited understanding >> of certain situations, we cannot know which response is the correct approach >> to the wrong / crime / injustice. Therefore, the divine guidance to instruct >> us in handling such matters. >> Witnessing the wondrous world around and within, the fine details with which >> everything has been created, and is being sustained, I am simply in awe and >> gratitude for everything to God. Immanent and transcendent, God is >> all-knowing, all-powerful, kind and loving. He created us, gave us life, >> hearing, sight, intelligence, family and society, and a user manual! Glad >> tidings and warnings about the certain to happen future are important >> information we need to prepare for our future. We can be grateful or we can >> throw a tantrum... > > > And by means of the Quran, as well as the Old Testament, and indeed even in > eastern Hindu scripture, god gave us both the privilege to be good and the > privilege to commit war and other atrocious acts.
God gave humans the free will to choose good or bad, and God gave the scripture to guide us. Unfortunately most scriptures and / or other books written around them have human interpolation. > It is up to Islam to pick and choose the good from the bad as needed over the > course of history. It is up to Muslims to study and understand, and practice. > The reason for God doing both is that so-called "bad people" are often > useful, especially in the beginning of a religion. God does not need the 'bad people', neither does religion. In fact, to the contrary, it's the good people, in the beginning of the prophetic missions, who have played a very significant role. > But then the mature religion must get them under control and become peaceful. > Islam is to some extent failing that obligation so far. Muslim scholars, legislators, civil society and each individual needs to put in the effort. > I suggest that more attention be paid to the prophets in the Quran, and the > OT, Agree. Great lessons there. > and less to < >'s personal channel. Whose personal channel? Samiya > Richard David Pesach ben Avraham aka yanniru >> >> Samiya >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
