On 6 June 2014 05:04, spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote:
> Yes indeed, however because there is no parental physical violence > permitted against the guilty, so a predatory pedophile, because we are not > savages, because its just the same as execution if the accused is innocent, > because we are a nation of laws, not men, simply jails the pedo, and the > child, perhaps murdered goes un-avenged. This is my take. > You mean incoherent frothing? OK. > Death penalty does not make sense. I can understand personal > individual revenge, and could acquit a parent killing the one who has > been violent with his/her children, but I can't swallow the idea that > a state coldly kill someone. This is close to nonsense and barbary. It > does not deter people to kill, on the contrary it makes killing more > banal or normal. It can even motivate a type of serial killing where > the serial killer phantasms on his own death. Then it kills innocent > people in a regular way. Countries with death penalty have usually > more homicides than the others. Well, that's my opinion. > > Bruno > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, Jun 4, 2014 3:14 am > Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! > > > On 04 Jun 2014, at 00:40, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > > No family, then it depends on the nature of the crime. Sparing a > > killer for a price? This reminds me of why the US doesn't have race > > riots anymore, like the LA Rodney King riots. Most often, there are > > "settlements" as when police do unlawful killings, because the > > family opts for the settlement. I am feeling that those nation > > states that do not have death penalties, are opting, as a cultural > > norm, Out of a sense of sqeamishness, which is understandable, > > rather than real justice or mercy. "well, if we just don't have the > > death penalty, we won't have to think about the victim." > > Death penalty does not make sense. I can understand personal > individual revenge, and could acquit a parent killing the one who has > been violent with his/her children, but I can't swallow the idea that > a state coldly kill someone. This is close to nonsense and barbary. It > does not deter people to kill, on the contrary it makes killing more > banal or normal. It can even motivate a type of serial killing where > the serial killer phantasms on his own death. Then it kills innocent > people in a regular way. Countries with death penalty have usually > more homicides than the others. Well, that's my opinion. > > Bruno > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: meekerdb <[email protected]> > > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 5:27 pm > > Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! > > > > On 6/3/2014 2:03 PM, spudboy100 via Everything > > List wrote: > > > > You may be correct indeed, but if being part > > of the "civilized world" protects violent, predatory, > > criminals, including, (drumroll) Islamists and Putin, the > > I suppose I will demur from being civilized. Most capital > > crimes, even in Texas, are crimes of passion. I don't see > > it (no death penalty) as being civilized, I view it as an > > excuse to be uncaring toward the victim's family. > > > > What if the victim doesn't have any family? Or what if the > > family forgives the killer? Or excuses the killer for a price > > (as in Pakistan)? At one time punishment for crimes like murder > > was a matter of retribution by the family of the victim. But it > > was because this led to feuds and vendettas and weregild, that > > the Crown, later The State, took over the sole right to punish > > crimes. > > > > Note that saying the U.S. imposes the death penalty is only > > partly true. There is a military death penalty (which is true in > > most armies) and a federal death penalty; but among the states 32 > > have a death penalty and 18 do not. Most recently, Maryland > > abolished the death penalty last year. > > > > Brent > > > > The USA are alone in this. It's not > > some uncertain utopia, it has been fully achieved in most > > of the civilised world. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 6:57 am > > Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM, > > spudboy100 via Everything List <everything- > > [email protected]> wrote: > > No > > death penalties. I am not sure I agree, but > > if this is the goal, then things need to be > > done really differently. > > > > > > Hum? Check this out: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capital_punishment.PNG > > > > > > The USA are alone in this. It's not > > some uncertain utopia, it has been fully achieved > > in most of the civilised world. > > > > > > Telmo. > > > > > I > > am not sure what you mean by "to seek my > > goal". > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: LizR <[email protected]> > > To: everything-list > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > > Sent: Mon, Jun 2, > > 2014 6:48 pm > > Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! > > > > > > > On > > 3 June 2014 10:28, spudboy100 > > via Everything List > > <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > To seek your goal I am > > guessing elements of society, > > law, and technology, must > > improve. > > > > I am not sure what you mean > > by "to seek my goal". > > > > > > > > For many, nothing is broken, or > > they have an interest in > > things continuing as they are. > > We'd have to get into problem > > soving mode to do all that. The > > world does not seem to be in a > > problem solving mood. > > > > This > > is of course true, "business > > as usual" is nideed in the > > process of destroying the > > world. Not sure what it has to > > do with the previous topic but > > FWIW I agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you > > are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and > > stop receiving emails from it, send an > > email to > > [email protected] > > > . > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > . > > Visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > > > . > > For more options, visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/optout > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you > > are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and > > stop receiving emails from it, send an email > > to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > . > > Visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > > > . > > For more options, visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/optout > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to > > the Google Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving > > emails from it, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > . > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > > . > > Visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from > > it, send an email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > > . > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > > > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > > send an email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > > send an email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email > to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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