No family, then it depends on the nature of the crime. Sparing a killer
for a price? This reminds me of why the US doesn't have race riots
anymore, like the LA Rodney King riots. Most often, there are
"settlements" as when police do unlawful killings, because the family
opts for the settlement. I am feeling that those nation states that do
not have death penalties, are opting, as a cultural norm, Out of a
sense of sqeamishness, which is understandable, rather than real
justice or mercy. "well, if we just don't have the death penalty, we
won't have to think about the victim."
-----Original Message-----
From: meekerdb <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back!
On 6/3/2014 2:03 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List
wrote:
You may be correct indeed, but if being part of
the "civilized world" protects violent, predatory,
criminals, including, (drumroll) Islamists and Putin, the I
suppose I will demur from being civilized. Most capital
crimes, even in Texas, are crimes of passion. I don't see it
(no death penalty) as being civilized, I view it as an
excuse to be uncaring toward the victim's family.
What if the victim doesn't have any family? Or what if the family
forgives the killer? Or excuses the killer for a price (as in
Pakistan)? At one time punishment for crimes like murder was a
matter of retribution by the family of the victim. But it was
because this led to feuds and vendettas and weregild, that the
Crown, later The State, took over the sole right to punish crimes.
Note that saying the U.S. imposes the death penalty is only partly
true. There is a military death penalty (which is true in most
armies) and a federal death penalty; but among the states 32 have a
death penalty and 18 do not. Most recently, Maryland abolished the
death penalty last year.
Brent
The USA are alone in this. It's not
some uncertain utopia, it has been fully achieved in most of
the civilised world.
-----Original Message-----
From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 6:57 am
Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back!
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM,
spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]>
wrote:
No death
penalties. I am not sure I agree, but if this
is the goal, then things need to be done
really differently.
Hum? Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capital_punishment.PNG
The USA are alone in this. It's not some
uncertain utopia, it has been fully achieved in most
of the civilised world.
Telmo.
I am not sure what you
mean by "to seek my goal".
-----Original Message-----
From: LizR <[email protected]>
To: everything-list
<[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Jun 2,
2014 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back!
On 3 June
2014 10:28, spudboy100 via
Everything List <[email protected]>
wrote:
To seek your goal I am guessing
elements of society, law, and
technology, must improve.
I am not sure what you mean by
"to seek my goal".
For
many, nothing is broken, or they
have an interest in things
continuing as they are. We'd have
to get into problem soving mode to
do all that. The world does not
seem to be in a problem solving
mood.
This is of course true, "business
as usual" is nideed in the process
of destroying the world. Not sure
what it has to do with the
previous topic but FWIW I agree.
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