On 7 June 2014 00:35, spudboy100 via Everything List <
[email protected]> wrote:

> It's incoherent because you, ideologically, don't appear to like the idea
> of considering anything else than a ban on executions-so you can feel
> better. I get that already. Thinking or reflecting not allowed, yep.
>
> You mean incoherent frothing? OK.
>
> It was incoherent because I couldn't parse it or get any sense out of it.
I'm perfectly happy to consider arguments presented coherently.

My position has been clearly stated already, though you appear to have
ignored it in your reply quoted above. I will repeat it, with the important
points highlighted.

I think that the state killing people leads to innocent people being
killed, and I think that is unjust. *I didn't say that there was anything
wrong with killing people who are actually guilty* (I might think that, but
I haven't said it, or the converse, because that would just be my personal
opinion on how serious or otherwise some crimes are), *All I have claimed
is that, in practice, the system of state executions doesn't work. It is
too prone to error and abuse.* There may be other things wrong with it -
for example, it may have bad psychological effects on the population - but
again I haven't claimed that as part of my argument. *It is uncivilised
because it leads to the death of innocent people.*

I hope that is clear enough for you to address my actual position in any
future replies.

So, in summary I have presented a coherent, logical argument, which you
have ignored. You have presented a set of statements that I
find incoherent (see example below) which I have, however, tried to follow,
but failed.


> On 6 June 2014 05:04, spudboy100 via Everything List <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Yes indeed, however because there is no parental physical violence
>> permitted against the guilty, so a predatory pedophile, because we are not
>> savages, because its just the same as execution if the accused is innocent,
>> because we are a nation of laws, not men, simply jails the pedo, and the
>> child, perhaps murdered goes un-avenged. This is my take.
>>
>
>  You mean incoherent frothing? OK.
>
>

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