That's all we do... process "sensor data" and make complicated inferences about those features of our experience we refer to as people (and everything else). Of course, we undergo a great deal of training to get there, and much of the training is done by people. To Liz's point, purposefully designed AI might well also be trained by people, or at least, people would comprise a significant part of its training. At the end of the day, we are just AGIs with a biological substrate, with some stuff hardwired in by evolution, and a cultural program that inculcates in us some very specific and often strange ideas about identity, reality at large, and what our goals ought to be.
To your point (and mine, earlier), AGIs are likely to construct a worldview that is significantly different from ours, for lots of reasons, but surely that doesn't mean it will be unaware of people. It may model them (and everything else) differently than we do, but I see no reason to believe for instance that we couldn't carry on a conversation with an AI of sufficient cognitive ability (and the motivation to do so). Terren On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Stephen Paul King < stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > But you seem to assume that it has awareness of "people" beyond the sensor > data + computations that it can access and generate. Where did the property > of "people" come from. > Consider the case were the Google "thing" discovered cats from > processing YouTube data. Why do we think that it's interpretation of what a > cat is is anything other than a patterns that re-occurs (modulo affine and > other transformations) in many different "videos". > > I am trying to get you to see that we assume that everything "sees the > same world" as oneself, and this could very well not be true! I have been > studying machine learning and anything AGI related in the literature. It is > common knowledge among the experts in that field that the machines > absolutely do not "see the same world" as we do! It is a very hard problem > figuring out how to get the machines to interpret the data patterns in ways > consistent with how we do..... > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:08 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 5 September 2014 12:58, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi LizR, >>> >>> I will repeat my question: What makes us think that the AGI will be >>> aware that we exist? >>> >> >> Surely that depends on circumstances? If an AI is created and educated by >> people then it will at least be aware that there is something feeding it >> input, and it will probably make the same deductions about that something >> that we make about other people. If it occurs through some sort of >> spontaneous generation, if that's possible, it may not be aware that we >> exist. Did you have a particular scenario in mind? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/YJeHJO5dNqQ/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > > Kindest Regards, > > Stephen Paul King > > Senior Researcher > > Mobile: (864) 567-3099 > > stephe...@provensecure.com > > http://www.provensecure.us/ > > > “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of > the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain > information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as > attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are > hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of > this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message > immediately.” > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
