Cool! Terren, you grok what I'm trying to say. Thank you!!! We are freaking AGI ourselves, operating machines made with biomolecules...
The big realization that I have had is that we have no means to determine that the content of experience of any other AGI matches ours. All that we can figure is that we can somethings communicate effectively and get along for a while. :-) On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Terren Suydam <terren.suy...@gmail.com> wrote: > That's all we do... process "sensor data" and make complicated inferences > about those features of our experience we refer to as people (and > everything else). Of course, we undergo a great deal of training to get > there, and much of the training is done by people. To Liz's point, > purposefully designed AI might well also be trained by people, or at least, > people would comprise a significant part of its training. At the end of the > day, we are just AGIs with a biological substrate, with some stuff > hardwired in by evolution, and a cultural program that inculcates in us > some very specific and often strange ideas about identity, reality at > large, and what our goals ought to be. > > To your point (and mine, earlier), AGIs are likely to construct a > worldview that is significantly different from ours, for lots of reasons, > but surely that doesn't mean it will be unaware of people. It may model > them (and everything else) differently than we do, but I see no reason to > believe for instance that we couldn't carry on a conversation with an AI of > sufficient cognitive ability (and the motivation to do so). > > Terren > > > On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 11:13 PM, Stephen Paul King < > stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote: > >> But you seem to assume that it has awareness of "people" beyond the >> sensor data + computations that it can access and generate. Where did the >> property of "people" come from. >> Consider the case were the Google "thing" discovered cats from >> processing YouTube data. Why do we think that it's interpretation of what a >> cat is is anything other than a patterns that re-occurs (modulo affine and >> other transformations) in many different "videos". >> >> I am trying to get you to see that we assume that everything "sees the >> same world" as oneself, and this could very well not be true! I have been >> studying machine learning and anything AGI related in the literature. It is >> common knowledge among the experts in that field that the machines >> absolutely do not "see the same world" as we do! It is a very hard problem >> figuring out how to get the machines to interpret the data patterns in ways >> consistent with how we do..... >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 9:08 PM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 5 September 2014 12:58, Stephen Paul King <stephe...@provensecure.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Hi LizR, >>>> >>>> I will repeat my question: What makes us think that the AGI will be >>>> aware that we exist? >>>> >>> >>> Surely that depends on circumstances? If an AI is created and educated >>> by people then it will at least be aware that there is something feeding it >>> input, and it will probably make the same deductions about that something >>> that we make about other people. If it occurs through some sort of >>> spontaneous generation, if that's possible, it may not be aware that we >>> exist. 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