On 02 Oct 2014, at 06:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/1/2014 8:31 PM, LizR wrote:
Thank you, that's interesting (of course, it should be obvious to
anyone with a few brain cells that facile generalisations are
bad... but they creep in all too easily...)
But also facile distinctions are made:
ASLAN: Stoning and mutilation and those barbaric practices should be
condemned and criticized by everyone. The actions of individuals and
societies and countries like Iran, like Pakistan, like Saudi Arabia
must be condemned, because they don't belong in the 21st century.
But to say Muslim countries, as though Pakistan and Turkey are the
same, as though Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are the same, as though
somehow what is happening in the most extreme forms of these
repressive countries, these autocratic countries, is representative
of what's happening in every other Muslim country, is, frankly --
and I use this word seriously -- stupid. So let's stop doing that.
Turkey is different precisely because Kemal Ataturk made separation
of church and state a foundation of Turkey - something directly
contrary to the Quran which mandates theocracy.
I agree, Kemal Ataturk succeed in separating the religion and the
church.
But when Erdogan took power, that heritage is eroded, and I think he
is related to the Muslim Brotherhood, like the Hamas which is the
Palestinian brotherhood.
I have myself believed that the Muslim Brotherhood was defending a
moderate Islam, until they show their face in Egypt (persecuting
christian and secularist muslims, notably most women in cities). The
Egyptian have courageously reinstall their army into power, because
that protects them against the fanatism and anti-secularism of the
Brotherhood.
The Turkey should do the same.
So it is not as though the differences are between Pakistan and
Turkey or Saudi Arabia and Indonesia are unrelated to religion. The
difference are that the more barabaric nations are the more religious.
All people who believe to know some truth, which would be capable of
being able to be publicly communicable, are dangerous. So if you dare
to call a religion any belief in a definite public truth, then OK, but
this includes the atheists beliefs, and that has been illustrated with
Lenine and Staline who are not much less better than Hitler in barbary.
The problem is that we have forgotten that we don't know the answer,
and so that we can do research, in academy, where we forget our
prejudice and builds axiomatics with testable consequences. We can
extract the axiomatics from *some* hypothesis, like the
computationalist one. Indeed in that case we can translate the
statement in term of number relations.
Religion and spirituality are not barbaric, like medication are not
dangerous.
It is the misuse of religion and spirituality, or the misuse of
medication which can be dangerous.
I think that any one having an atom of an idea of God can understand
that theology is the field where modesty, cautiousness, has to be the
maximal, and it is the place where the argument-per-authority is the
most damageable for what it is all about.
Bruno
Brent
On 2 October 2014 15:56, Samiya Illias <samiyaill...@gmail.com>
wrote:
The following link might be of interest. It addresses some of the
questions raised on this forum about Islam.
Samiya
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Subject: generalizations_of_islam
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:23:35 -0400
Good segment
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/30/reza_aslan_mahers_facile_generalizations_of_islam_the_definition_of_bigotry.html
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