On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 10:28:40AM -0400, John Clark wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 2:41 AM, Russell Standish <li...@hpcoders.com.au>
> wrote:
> 
> > If you sample the Geiger counter every second, and ask the question "has
> > an electron triggered the counter in the previous second", one
> > gets a sequence of zeros and ones, that is bounded only by the length of
> > time we're prepared to continue performing this operation. This is not a
> > "few dozen digits at best" that you claim.
> 
> 
> Yes, if you used a arbitrarily large number of electrons you could get a
> arbitrarily large number of digits, and you could do the same thing with a
> arbitrarily large number of dice. But if physics works by Real Numbers why
> can't we do the same thing with just one fundamental particle like one
> electron? Again I'm not claiming to have a answer I'm just asking a
> question.
> 

Assuming that position lies on a continuum, and assuming that our
technological prowess shows no bounds to how accurate we can measure
something, then yes, we could continuing measuring the same particle
with continuously improved measuring devices, and obtain a
noncomputable sequence.

But what I proposed with the Geiger counter is easier to do, and
sufficient for the point.

> 
> > > The sequence is, as you concur, likely to be not computable
> 
> 
> If it's not computable it doesn't follow that non-computable numbers must
> be causing the electrons to do what they do, nothing at all may be causing
> it to do what it does. After all, there is no law of logic that demands
> every event have a cause.
> 

I don't know where you're going with that ramble. 


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