Chris,
I have nothing important to say! :-) Nothing and something are kind
of good areas for puns, double entendres and jokes. After all, Jerry
Seinfeld had a whole show about nothing!
>Roger – you have much to say about nothing [just joking]
You mentioned:
>I agree with the distinction you make between nothing arrived at through
the negative process of removing everything that >exists until nothing is
left versus the nothing **that is** everything.
>Further down, if I follow you, you are making the point that if we are
speaking about the **nothing that is the set of >everything there is** then
even if this is an empty set, by virtue of a set being something – a
conceptual entity – then even >the absolutely empty universal set {} exists
as a conceptual entity at least.
>Is that a fair recap of your intent; or am I off the mark?
I think that's a good recap of my intent. If we can visualize the
"absolute lack-of-all" where all things traditionally thought to exist,
including our minds doing the imagining, that nothingness would be
everything there is. And, then as you say, I think everything there is is
a grouping defining what is contained within and therefore an existent
entity. A set is also a grouping defining what is contained within, so
this situation would be similar to the empty set. I think this fundamental
existent entity similar to the empty set is the fundamental unit of our
physical universe.
Also, you mentioned in a later post:
>Something is the “inside view” of Nothing”....I agree with the premise
that perspective is paramount in coming to terms with >and to understand
the spooky weird nature of quantum reality; perspective also provides a
powerful tool to explain the >“something from nothing paradox”. Something
does seem like it could be how Nothing looks from the perspective of being
>within itself – as opposed to the bird’s eye view from outside
I totally agree that perspective is paramount in deciding whether the
"absolute lack-of-all" is "something" or "nothing". But, I always like to
think that when we're inside "nothingness", that means we're also like
"nothingness", so this "nothingness" just looks like "nothing". But, if we
could step outside that "nothingness", we'd see that it is the entirety of
all there is and thus an existent entity.
In regard to Russell's stuff on nothingness, I can't remember the
details now, but I think I read about it at one time and don't remember its
really answering any questions.
Have a good week!
Roger
> This is exactly what I'm suggesting. It would not remain "nothing". We
> usually think of the situation when you get rid of all matter, energy,
> space/volume, time, abstract concepts, minds, etc. as "nothing". But, what
> I'm saying is that this supposed "nothing" really isn't the lack of all
> existent entities. That "nothing" would be the entirety of all that is
> present; that's it; there's nothing else. It would be the all. An
> entirety is a grouping defining what is contained within and therefore an
> existent entity, based on my definition of an existent entity. So, even
> what we think of as "nothing" is an existent entity or "something". This
> means that "something" is non-contingent. It's necessary. There is no
> such thing as the lack of all existent entities.
>
>
>
> Roger – you have much to say about nothing [just joking]
>
> I agree with the distinction you make between nothing arrived at through
> the negative process of removing everything that exists until nothing is
> left versus the nothing **that is** everything.
>
> Further down, if I follow you, you are making the point that if we are
> speaking about the **nothing that is the set of everything there is**
> then even if this is an empty set, by virtue of a set being something – a
> conceptual entity – then even the absolutely empty universal set {} exists
> as a conceptual entity at least.
>
> Is that a fair recap of your intent; or am I off the mark?
>
> -Chris
>
> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:17:27 AM UTC-5, cdemorsella wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com [mailto:everyth...@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *meekerdb
> *Sent:* Friday, January 02, 2015 9:44 PM
> *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum
> theory to dialectics?
>
>
>
> On 1/2/2015 9:05 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote:
>
> Even if the word "exists" has no use because everything exists, it seems
> important to know why everything exists. How is it that a thing can
> exist? What I suggest is that a grouping defining what is contained within
> is an existent entity. Then, you can use this to try and answer the other
> question of "Why is there something rather than nothing?".
>
>
> If everything exists, what doesn't exist? Nothing.
>
>
>
> If nothing existed; would it remain nothing?
>
> -Chris
>
> Brent
>
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